How will you vote in the Staffordshire County Council elections 2013?

Withnail

Withnail

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John Marwood said:
So save your lead
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I suppose if you think of it 'in the round' it's 'my' lead, but i'd rather think of it as 'their' lead.

Go into that booth and scribble, scribble like you've never scribbled before - expend that lead and ask for a sharpener - sharpen that pencil and return to the booth - scribble even harder - repeat until the pencil is exhausted - ask for another - go on do it - do the same with your new pencil until it, too, is exhausted - exhaust as many pencils as you can before you are yourself exhausted.

Then ask for a new paper, and a new pencil, and put a cock in one box and a few spunk bubbles in the boxes adjacent to the cock box.

Democracy is a wonderful thing.
 
John Marwood

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It would be handy if the candidates kept themselves up to speed with the Coalition projected cuts to Council spending and then spelt it out in terms of services

These cuts due over the next five years are far deeper than the total cut thus far

Bins emptied only once a month

Libraries and Sports centres sold off to Branson and co

A five pound entry fee to the tip

No school kitchens

For example

Etc etc
 
henryscat

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I'm sick to death of election leaflets that just talk about filling pot holes. If that's what people vote on, it's a pretty sad state of affairs. I've no doubt that cuts so far are tip of the iceberg stuff. We've already seen the creation of Distrust with Crapita to run the LEA function / flush it down the toilet. I suspect more of the same with other services may follow.
 
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We've only had one leaflet so far from any of the parties standing in our area. I have no idea what 2 of our potential candidates are proposing at all. It is a sad state of affairs that potholes are what gets people excited, but unfortunately I think there is a lot of apathy and I know of several people who have said they can't be bothered to vote as no one listens to their views and wishes. In many instances those wishes do relate to issues such as potholes, grass verges and other matters which directly impact on them but they don't always consider broader issues such as Crapita creep as that doesn't impact on them daily.
 
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stafford-resident101

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Roland said:
The nominations for the County elections are now in and the candidates can be found here http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/yourcouncil/elections/candidates2013.aspx

Will you vote and what will make you decide who to vote for, will it be national or local issues?
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Sorry but isn't this a complete no brainer!!!

Who, in their right mind would vote for Conservative, when we see what a complete and utter mess this country is in now.

LABOUR for me, although IMO they are all as bad as each other - will feather their own nests as a matter of priority once elected anyway, but at least the NHS would be safe in their hands.
 
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andy w

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ddaavviidd30 said:
Sorry but isn't this a complete no brainer!!!

Who, in their right mind would vote for Conservative, when we see what a complete and utter mess this country is in now.

LABOUR for me, although IMO they are all as bad as each other - will feather their own nests as a matter of priority once elected anyway, but at least the NHS would be safe in their hands.
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NHS safe under Labour. What, like when they was in power last time?
 
John Marwood

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It is fair that threads cross here

Hospitals, Councils, Services - all are controlled by ' The Cabinet'

If we were actually given true choices mine would be to volunteer to pay more tax toward a better health service. Others would differ

But this is academic

The Cabinet only view our future in chunks of billions of pounds and departments

There is no interest in human cost
 
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stafford-resident101

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andy w said:
NHS safe under Labour. What, like when they was in power last time?
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Yep, they ploughed loads of money into it, FAR MORE than this lot.

They were let down by the management teams at each hospital. Have you seen the way the NHS buy goods. It is from a special catalogue where everything is about 50-100%% more than the high street or online. Plastic A4 wallets for example 5p each in town or from Amazon and £1.00 each for the NHS. Utter madness.

Like Maggie did with everything else, they will privatise it all very soon as with all the complaints nationally they will deem it unfit for purpose...just wait and see.....like the Post Office now offering banking....that will be sold off soon too. They are only allowing that (banking) to make it more of an attractive proposition to buyers.
 
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stafford-resident101

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John Marwood said:
It is fair that threads cross here

Hospitals, Councils, Services - all are controlled by ' The Cabinet'

If we were actually given true choices mine would be to volunteer to pay more tax toward a better health service. Others would differ

But this is academic

The Cabinet only view our future in chunks of billions of pounds and departments

There is no interest in human cost
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Absolutely, we are literally just a number and a stat'.
 
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ddaavviidd30 said:
Yep, they ploughed loads of money into it, FAR MORE than this lot.

They were let down by the management teams at each hospital. Have you seen the way the NHS buy goods. It is from a special catalogue where everything is about 50-100%% more than the high street or online. Plastic A4 wallets for example 5p each in town or from Amazon and £1.00 each for the NHS. Utter madness.

Like Maggie did with everything else, they will privatise it all very soon as with all the complaints nationally they will deem it unfit for purpose...just wait and see.....like the Post Office now offering banking....that will be sold off soon too. They are only allowing that (banking) to make it more of an attractive proposition to buyers.
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I hope you don't drive whilst wearing those heavily rose tinted classes or I fear a trip to A&E (Stoke or New Cross, obviously) might soon become necessary.
 
John Marwood

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Withnail said:
In the spirit of fairness, County elections will have no bearing on the fate of the NHS in general, or Stafford hospital in particular, whatsoever.
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Not true

Commissioning is changing everything we are involvef in, or at least it will soon

The Cabinet has devised new legislation that implies all the shit is coming at you locally when in fact it is a Cabinet policy that costs a huge amount to opt out of

It is about blame, shareholders, and lowering the expectation of the prole
You and I
 
henryscat

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Much as I'm not voting Tory in a million years, lets not forget the billions of pounds of PFI deals that Labour did to fiddle the figures on national debt. All that has done is saddle the NHS and schools with payments for the next 30years+ for which the only people who benefit are private shareholders whilst the public end up paying several times over the actual cost of building schools and hospitals. The scandal of PFI is huge and Labour supporters ought to think on it before sweeping under the already bulging carpet.
 
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andy w

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ddaavviidd30 said:
Yep, they ploughed loads of money into it, FAR MORE than this lot.

They were let down by the management teams at each hospital. Have you seen the way the NHS buy goods. It is from a special catalogue where everything is about 50-100%% more than the high street or online. Plastic A4 wallets for example 5p each in town or from Amazon and £1.00 each for the NHS. Utter madness.

Like Maggie did with everything else, they will privatise it all very soon as with all the complaints nationally they will deem it unfit for purpose...just wait and see.....like the Post Office now offering banking....that will be sold off soon too. They are only allowing that (banking) to make it more of an attractive proposition to buyers.
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I am not doubting for one minute Labour's commitment to the NHS but massively increasing funding for only a small improvement to the service was a missed oppotunity. It's no good blaming management teams, the Labour government should have recognised the shortcomings in the management within the NHS and also the vested interests that oppose change( this also goes for the present coalition).
Whilst I am favour of retaining the NHS and most of what it does is very good, I worry that the NHS is a sacred cow which is above critisism which leads to scandals such as at Stafford hospital.
 
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henryscat said:
lets not forget the billions of pounds of PFI deals that Labour did to fiddle the figures on national debt.
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Would that be the PFI introduced by the Conservative government, criticised by Labour in Opposition, then whole-heartedly adopted by them when they attained power?

Or the PFI extended by the Labour government, criticised by Conservatives in Opposition, then whole-heartedly re-adopted by them in Coalition?

Out of balance sheet, out of mind.
 
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