Rugby Club progress...

John Marwood

John Marwood

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I prefer to agree with ATJ than focus on the British way of being too easily distracted or defeatest

The last possible means of prevention, curtailment or delay will lay in the legality, lawfulness or procedural detail of this matter

The will of the powerful has been clear from the outset

The Devil is in the detail

1 Peter 5:8
 
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My point was not anti Rugby as it may have read , I was just pointing out the relatively bad press it is having lately , you may not believe this on here . The club is proposing wonderful facilities , and if fair and not so narrow minded (may not have a choice ) or "deluded in looking elsewhere "in choosing an environment rich habitat that acts as a buffer to the Doxey Marses SSSI could have this and I would support it anywhere , why upset the balance this area prior to 1988 was indeed protected , and ever since the club has tried and even had Full planning permission back then . Going back to the JR you must be asking how , what and who , yes it was granted unlawful by whom Stafford Borough Council , who proposed this , yes a Cabinet Member of Planning ( not a usual on the Planning Committee )and it was seconded ,was it scripted this way in the Pre meeting ? and prior to the vote legal was going to check if valid then propose the chairman to vote on delegated powers when thoroughly checked by legal ? , so the proposer a "JP " well respected so you would have thought "meets all the criteria" ? , the seconder , the chairman of the committee " it has happened on your watch" and you granted this Chairman by delegated powers on your own ! and the legal team all granted an unlawful planning application . Do do we blame The club NO they have every right to ask for permission on the land provided , the Council and whose behind the council who should know the rules , the policies , the procedures as unfortunately this land will never get permission LAWFULLY . A broad statement yes did they did not listen last time ? shame on you Borough Council . This has nothing t to do with Rugby , the Club it's unfortunate they are in the middle trying to better the facilities . This wrangle is being lead by Whom and status together with other authorities the Borough and the County Council ,as for supporters hating my posts , they may even thank us one day
And even the publicity of the JR seems to have been gagged by Stafford Borough Council also ! ? The written conclusion awaits For all to see
I'm now silent off my soap box good day .
 
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Rumour is that Trump will be the new Borough Council chief executive / mayor / rugby club chairman and he's going to make Stafford great again.
 
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John Marwood said:
I prefer to agree with ATJ than focus on the British way of being too easily ... defeatest (sic)
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LOL - when my head feels a little less 'shat in', i will sift through this thread for evidence of defeatism emanating from the right honourable member
* what, ten and a bit pages? got to be close to double figures?*

The last possible means of prevention, curtailment or delay will lay in the legality, lawfulness or procedural detail of this matter
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Quite so.

Now i understand that a Judicial Review can only look at the process, and cannot in itself change the initial decision, but does it not seem at the very least unseemly that they can just resubmit an almost identical* application to forestall the outcome? Is there really not some sort of mechanism that prevents such shenanigans?

It's as if the bowler has, whilst waiting for the outcome from the third umpire as to whether the slower ball took a nick off the bat and carried to slip, bowled a yorker that took out middle stump and expects the batsman to walk.

This just isn't cricket.

* Environment Agency said:
This application appears identical (except for a number of minor amendments) to the plans approved as part of application 14/21366/FUL
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The truth the whole truth said:
My point was not anti Rugby as it may have read , I was just pointing out the relatively bad press it is having lately , you may not believe this on here . The club is proposing wonderful facilities , and if fair and not so narrow minded (may not have a choice ) or "deluded in looking elsewhere "in choosing an environment rich habitat that acts as a buffer to the Doxey Marses SSSI could have this and I would support it anywhere , why upset the balance this area prior to 1988 was indeed protected , and ever since the club has tried and even had Full planning permission back then . Going back to the JR you must be asking how , what and who , yes it was granted unlawful by whom Stafford Borough Council , who proposed this , yes a Cabinet Member of Planning ( not a usual on the Planning Committee )and it was seconded ,was it scripted this way in the Pre meeting ? and prior to the vote legal was going to check if valid then propose the chairman to vote on delegated powers when thoroughly checked by legal ? , so the proposer a "JP " well respected so you would have thought "meets all the criteria" ? , the seconder , the chairman of the committee " it has happened on your watch" and you granted this Chairman by delegated powers on your own ! and the legal team all granted an unlawful planning application . Do do we blame The club NO they have every right to ask for permission on the land provided , the Council and whose behind the council who should know the rules , the policies , the procedures as unfortunately this land will never get permission LAWFULLY . A broad statement yes did they did not listen last time ? shame on you Borough Council . This has nothing t to do with Rugby , the Club it's unfortunate they are in the middle trying to better the facilities . This wrangle is being lead by Whom and status together with other authorities the Borough and the County Council ,as for supporters hating my posts , they may even thank us one day
And even the publicity of the JR seems to have been gagged by Stafford Borough Council also ! ? The written conclusion awaits For all to see
I'm now silent off my soap box good day .
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Dude, that was a difficult read, but i'm pretty sure we're on the same side.

I just wanted to emphasize that the opposition, such as it stands, is not nimbyism or bananaism, it's not driven by antipathy of any sort.

It is heartfelt, at least in this heart, and i'd like to think i speak for the hearts of many others. This is a space that is dear to the hearts of many of us. It is a space that is right at the heart of where many of us are. It is at the heart of the town we love, within a heartbeat of many of the people who live here who need a space to escape. The kind of space where you can feel and - when there's no one shouting at trains - hear your heart beating.

Some people like to run after things - it would certainly appear that lots of people like to run after all sorts of different shaped balls - but others like to sit still, listen, and look. They like to see the life that passes by pass by them, see how it ebbs and flows - not with shouts of encouragement, but with silent appreciation.

The spaces available for these people are few, and if the runners-after-things of this world have their way, they will become fewer.

This is the basis of my opposition.
 
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Withnail said:
Dude, that was a difficult read, but i'm pretty sure we're on the same side.

I just wanted to emphasize that the opposition, such as it stands, is not nimbyism or bananaism, it's not driven by antipathy of any sort.

It is heartfelt, at least in this heart, and i'd like to think i speak for the hearts of many others. This is a space that is dear to the hearts of many of us. It is a space that is right at the heart of where many of us are. It is at the heart of the town we love, within a heartbeat of many of the people who live here who need a space to escape. The kind of space where you can feel and - when there's no one shouting at trains - hear your heart beating.

Some people like to run after things - it would certainly appear that lots of people like to run after all sorts of different shaped balls - but others like to sit still, listen, and look. They like to see the life that passes by pass by them, see how it ebbs and flows - not with shouts of encouragement, but with silent appreciation.

The spaces available for these people are few, and if the runners-after-things of this world have their way, they will become fewer.

This is the basis of my opposition.
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Deep.....
However I know more.....
 
John Marwood

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Can I just say

If anyone else gets the Withnail shat on head cold virus take note

1 You will experience violent dreams
2 You will almost drown in your own sweet smelling sweat.
3 The geese flying overhead at midnight will sound like a fight inside your own porch
4 That dream will be hugely realistic
5 0f course it could all be down to the pills
 
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John Marwood said:
Can I just say

If anyone else gets the Withnail shat on head cold virus take note

1 You will experience violent dreams
2 You will almost drown in your own sweet smelling sweat.
3 The geese flying overhead at midnight will sound like a fight inside your own porch
4 That dream will be hugely realistic
5 0f course it could all be down to the pills
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Night nurse?
 
MAL

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PPPPPP said:
Which sports, and is that why it would have a locked gate.
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Ensuring security of the site seems to be a sensible thing to do - so having a locked gate seems sensible does it not. I am sure neighbours would not want the site open all night
 
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tek-monkey said:
Now on a PC, much easier to quote, so I'll address a few earlier points again.



What about beaconside? That is already sports pitches, the disruption to change it to sports pitches would be minimal.



But less new land is used, thats the key point. The children hit by cars feels like clutching at straws TBH, kids have been run over on car parks and driveways too. Still, could build a foot bridge if too concerned?



As stated earlier, only for those south of the town centre. Beaconside just got a cycle bridge almost right to it meaning anyone East of the town centre is very well catered for. Buses already run to the hospital, its not much further. They also already have parking for those unable to cope otherwise.



If national planning does not allow a reduction in playing fields can we not keep beaconside? Or is losing that being balanced by the 7 pitches the rugby club are building and the beaconside facilities will end up as housing? Not seen the in town bit mentioned and no idea where they mean TBH, there is some ideal land in a field at the cricket club but you aren't allowed new pitches on there because it will make the area look bad.



Have I mentioned Beaconside? Currently quite happily used by loads of people and about to be scrapped, a loss to the whole town. What if there was some way we could have not just rugby pitches but a large multi discipline sports facility for the entire town to use, including the youngsters? The site seems relatively safe and certainly more accessible than the marshes. which will require everyone to enter via doxey road which is about to get much busier with the Western Bypass from Lidl and joining up to Castlefields further up.

I know you say this isn't a one dimensional issue but until I hear a better reason than boosting Lord Staffords profits Beaconside will remain the obvious choice to me. What is really galling is it used to belong to us, the tax payers. How the Uni was allowed to sell it in the first place is beyond me! Although it doesn't surprise me.
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I am somewhat surprised that child safety is considered clutching at straws. There are plans to run a bypass though the existing club site, there have been accidents in the past. I agree kids get run over in a variety of places but that is clearly no reason for this risk not to be a concern; especially when cars will be travelling significantly faster than on a car park or a drive.

I am somewhat confused by the comment about those south of the Town Centre. If it is suggesting that you can only cycle to the new club site if South of town centre then that is clearly wrong. The cycle path runs from MOD Stafford which when I last looked could not be considered South of the town

I am obviously not able to comment on the plans for Beaconside but it is very clear that you could not use that site for rugby without developing additional facilities elsewhere. The only site that offers space for 4 pitches and mini / junior pitches is the proposed development. I am sure that there will be sports pitches at Beaconside in the future unless other space is developed. I have no idea what the current plans are.I agree Beaconside should continue as a sports facility to serve those who use it now.
 
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tek-monkey said:
Also continuously aware that rugby is the only sport the council care about, why 7 rugby pitches but the hockey club told to sling their hook? I'm not even sure Stafford rangers would be allowed to build 7 pitches and they hold much higher status in the community. 7 rugby pitches won't help redress the loss of facilities at beaconside, it is only to help rugby players. All this for the good of the town stuff is bullshit really, how many locals really play?
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Currently somewhere in the 300 or so kids play on a Sunday morning. You may consider that bullshit - I tend to think of that as a thriving community sports club. The club provides the only junior rugby club in the town. It also makes this as affordable as possible to be inclusive of all. Any trip down on a Sunday morning will show this is a great cross section of kids.The comparison to Stafford Rangers is not relevant as there are loads of other football fields and I think fair to say the council has been very supportive of football. As regards the hockey club situation I guess this is complex but the main issue seems to be that Sport England objected
 
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