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Enjoying a drop of red.
You omitted the Fuc.
joshua
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Dear god i hope not, no one wants to see boris doing the walk of atonementDon't tell me !!! It isn't a Brian Rix Farce ….. !!! …. It's an episode from Game of Thrones …..
Gadget
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I've been quiet for a while because I'm not doing great with my mental health and have been attempting to reduce my exposure to things that are triggering mind numbing panic and anxiety. Sadly it's now impossible to escape.
I had a very brief discussion with my parents yesterday about politics in general and I had to bite my lip and keep very quiet. They have proclaimed all politicians as useless, say they are being paid to do as ''the country tell them'' not ''what they feel like doing''. The country said we want to leave so we should leave, that's what we said so they should do it. When I tried to explain that they were trying to prevent food and medicine shortages and avoid a massive catastrophe. I got told it doesn't matter they should do as they are told. I got into dangerous territory then and argued slightly with them. I said so if ''the country'' told them we wanted to nuke Wales, they should do it? Yes they shot back, because that's what we voted for and they should do it... At this point i went very very quiet because I really really wanted to scream at them to stop being so bloody stupid and at least think of me and their grandchildren they were wishing the outcomes of all of this upon.
Given the casual mentions in the past I don't think they've actually bothered voting for years as they hate them all and it's pointless they say. These days they get most of their information from the red top rags lying around in the cafe's etc they frequent. They watch the news but barely listen or claim that's not what the papers say. They are not the intelligent people anymore who raised me.
I had a very brief discussion with my parents yesterday about politics in general and I had to bite my lip and keep very quiet. They have proclaimed all politicians as useless, say they are being paid to do as ''the country tell them'' not ''what they feel like doing''. The country said we want to leave so we should leave, that's what we said so they should do it. When I tried to explain that they were trying to prevent food and medicine shortages and avoid a massive catastrophe. I got told it doesn't matter they should do as they are told. I got into dangerous territory then and argued slightly with them. I said so if ''the country'' told them we wanted to nuke Wales, they should do it? Yes they shot back, because that's what we voted for and they should do it... At this point i went very very quiet because I really really wanted to scream at them to stop being so bloody stupid and at least think of me and their grandchildren they were wishing the outcomes of all of this upon.
Given the casual mentions in the past I don't think they've actually bothered voting for years as they hate them all and it's pointless they say. These days they get most of their information from the red top rags lying around in the cafe's etc they frequent. They watch the news but barely listen or claim that's not what the papers say. They are not the intelligent people anymore who raised me.
Lucy
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His statement was very telling; obviously doesn't believe in what President Cummings is doing.
Cue
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25. I was not over 18 on the 2010 GE.
I said "politically awake" lifetime which is true, most people are not politically awake at 15 years old (when the recession hit for me, roughly). They've had very little education on the matter if any, and the rhetoric of "they're all the same, two party system" has been incredibly entrenched up until recently when the two parties started to swerve further from the centre.
So yes, the entirety of the time my generation has been politically awake has been recession followed by 9 years of Conservative-lead austerity - this is a statement of a fact, not an opinion - so for many it would feel like it's just the way it is and cannot be changed. I never said it was worse than food shortages, rationing, war, you brought that up yourself.
Tilly
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I suppose it's easy to ridicule ignorance, ( as opposed to the ignorant ) prejudice ( as in a pre-judgement, and nothing more ) and confusion, when you perhaps have had first hand experience of central government , public relations, finance and the media.
I'm all for information, if it can be clearly that
So if anyone is confused, or wishes to ask a question about any of this , please ask it
I'm sure there will be someone here who can at least offer an opinion. But perhaps not one based on ' what they read in the paper'
Ducks. ..
I'm all for information, if it can be clearly that
So if anyone is confused, or wishes to ask a question about any of this , please ask it
I'm sure there will be someone here who can at least offer an opinion. But perhaps not one based on ' what they read in the paper'
Ducks. ..
BobClay
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My primary memory along those lines is Thatcher coming to power in 1979. I was a member of a thriving industry that she systematically destroyed (along with many others) within 10 years. Dennis Skinner was right … she did more damage (by far) to this country than all of the German High Command in World War Two. To the point where we'll probably never recover from it.
I will never EVER understand people who vote Tory since then unless they spent all of their earlier lives living in F****** Disneyland.
(Rant over.)
I will never EVER understand people who vote Tory since then unless they spent all of their earlier lives living in F****** Disneyland.
(Rant over.)
Glam
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That b!tch ripped families apart during the miners strike, Fathers against sons, the damage for some will never be fixed.My primary memory along those lines is Thatcher coming to power in 1979. I was a member of a thriving industry that she systematically destroyed (along with many others) within 10 years. Dennis Skinner was right … she did more damage (by far) to this country than all of the German High Command in World War Two. To the point where we'll probably never recover from it.
I will never EVER understand people who vote Tory since then unless they spent all of their earlier lives living in F****** Disneyland.
(Rant over.)
Cue
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Easily manipulated populous manipulated by media corporations via newspapers, etc. When you underfund education, people become more susceptible to believing things because of a lack of critical thinking, such as "Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser", "Corbyn wants to take away your home" or "This man would be bad at managing the country because he had problems with a bacon sandwich".
The bad guys don't play fair, basically.
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The Hawk
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There was a video for the Manic Street Preachers' song 'Anthem For A Lost Cause' that's as good as any I've seen in highlighting the impact. The video's director, Kieran Evans summed it up:
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Yeah yeah yeah, but corbyn......
I believe nothing else is needed, that seems to be most leavers stance right now. But corbyn.
And they think they aren't brainwashed, Johnson could personally arse rape their children dry with a run up and the response would be "but corbyn..."
Sad times.
I believe nothing else is needed, that seems to be most leavers stance right now. But corbyn.
And they think they aren't brainwashed, Johnson could personally arse rape their children dry with a run up and the response would be "but corbyn..."
Sad times.
