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I'd feel naked without mine now.I had the new version of a go to school naked dream last night; go to the shops without my mask.
What an incredibly polite and generous assessment of people like this.Mostly indeed, saw a couple in Lidl on Sunday where one wasn't bothering at all and the other had it over their chin. I'm sure they think they're standing up for their freedoms when really they're keeping ours at bay.
Squeeze the disease!
As you can imagine, I did not type loved.
I will add 'someone with a clear head' to the never-before-being-called-that file.Cheers
Just needed someone with a clear head to form my reply elsewhere...
The protect the weak argument is just an easy way to say I'm alright so feck everyone else.I will add 'someone with a clear head' to the never-before-being-called-that file.
If you are 'replying' elsewhere then you must have a robust constitution.
Personally i'd just say f*ck 'em - it's much easier just to let this sh*t slide - but we should not do the easy things just because they are easy - no one gets to the Moon with that sort of thinking.
So, to reiterate, we must take as a null hypothesis that a novel pathogen is...
As time elapses, our null hypothesis will be challenged -
- susceptible to 100% of any population
- there is 0% immunity in that population
Perhaps there will be indications that some sections of the community are more/less affected than others...
There may appear evidence of cross-immunity in some over others...
Some people may appear to have no reaction at all...
- and there have been all sorts of challenges since March that have had all sorts of tests applied, so what do we know?
It depends on who you ask.
Ultimately it boils down to who you trust - i listen to one such as Yeadon and dismiss him because i trust another's judgement. I cannot stress quite enough how i am NOT doing any meaningful research here, i am just reading things, and trusting one source of information over another.
It's a bit weird though - are you saying that i am skewing the data because i'm some sort of death fetishist? Are you denying that you are choosing different purveyors of information because they are saying what you want to hear?
These sorts of questions are as flies buzzing overhead.
There are important questions to answer, though, so let's look at two of them.
Q. Are 100% of people susceptible?
A. Until we can confidently say no, yes.
Q. Is there 30-50% innate immunity in the population like i heard in that BMJ article?
A. Until we can confidently say yes, no.
If 'community immunity' was anywhere even near 30%, we would not be seeing the doubling times that we are seeing in what is undeniably now a 'second wave' - driving infections/admissions/deaths onwards and upwards. Already we are seeing death rates way above ten-year maximums, let alone means, for both October and November.
This after losing more people over April than we would normally lose over the next four months combined.
How is this happening if it is not being driven by a deadly new pathogen? Look at when people generally die in large numbers and you'll see that they usually die in noticeable numbers in December and January, not April, October and November.
One other thing to mention re. Yeadon and his ilk is the whole we-should-just-protect-the-vulnerable schtick. This is just Get Brexit Done easytalk from people who consistently see how easy things are without seeing how easy they aren't. How do we propose to do this? Given that we have already massively failed in protect(ing)-the-vulnerable by kicking them out of hospitals so that they could kill their neighbours in Care Homes, i'm not sure how the things-are-really-easy-because-i-want-them-to-be brigade are angling to make it better.
Somewhere ^up thread we were wondering whether Sweden would be better off with their more laissez-faire response, and that's a no also. Sweden enjoys its second wave along with the rest of us
What do we know from multiple countries using multiple measures with multiple aims to achieve multiple outcomes?
Lockdown works. It is the only thing that works to cut transmission.
Distancing works
NZ is, obviously, the envy of the world, but is an outlier because they started with a zero-covid response. Australia likewise.
Today's infection rate down to approximately 0.94%View attachment 9587