Coronavirus.

Carole

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Yes obviously it's to stop it spreading, I'm not daft.
But it's not working is it?
By the time people are contacted they might have spread it around anyway.
Someone going to a pub for an hour at 5.00pm for an hour, then getting pinged because of someone else who went in at 10.00pm, someone they didn't meet at all or had any contact with is ridiculous.

Edited to say, I've heard but don't know the truth of it is this.
If you go to a pub or restaurant apparently the app has you staying until midnight, regardless of how much time you spent there, so it pings everyone during that time frame. Like I said, not sure if that's right but I'm sure someone will verify.
 
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littleme

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Yes obviously it's to stop it spreading, I'm not daft.
But it's not working is it?
By the time people are contacted they might have spread it around anyway.
Someone going to a pub for an hour at 5.00pm for an hour, then getting pinged because of someone else who went in at 10.00pm, someone they didn't meet at all or had any contact with is ridiculous.

Edited to say, I've heard but don't know the truth of it is this.
If you go to a pub or restaurant apparently the app has you staying until midnight, regardless of how much time you spent there, so it pings everyone during that time frame. Like I said, not sure if that's right but I'm sure someone will verify.
I believe, but could be wrong, that it's all done with Bluetooth on your phone, not the qr code, and the time frame is nothing near as long, however I may be wrong.

My friend was pinged a few weeks ago after visiting the cinema and scanning the qr code, within 2 days of release she was pinged again and the only 2 places she had been was Sainsburys and M&S for shopping, both places have no qr code.

I know you know what it's for, and I know you're not daft.... But, these posts are sounding very me, me, me and I really hope I've got that wrong & please don't take offence, but.... Everything we've done is to keep everyone safe... And we should keep doing it for as long as it takes.
 

Carole

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sit with them chatting for an hour or so after hugging them when I got there, hug & kiss them goodbye.... And all that time I'm killing them because I haven't been pinged,l.

Gosh, well. I would never in a million years hug anyone that hadn't been vaccinated. I wouldn't even go within 2 metres of them for their safety.
I'm presuming that you are talking about hugging unvaccinated people because it's very unlikely that a vaccinated person who catches it will die.
 

EasMid

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Someone going to a pub for an hour at 5.00pm for an hour, then getting pinged because of someone else who went in at 10.00pm, someone they didn't meet at all or had any contact with is ridiculous.
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My understanding is that your phone has to be in contact with the phone of the person who later tests positive. It doesn’t matter where you are. I’m not sure if it’s still the case but the app supposedly never stored your location. That’s why you’re advised to turn off location when you don’t have the phone with you (gym etc), to stop it communicating with another unattended phone. It’s The “checking in” by leaving your details at the location was the bit that had your location ( checking in via the qr code merely simplified that part)
I don’t know how effective the app is now as most people seem to be turning location off.
 
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Thehooperman

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Yes obviously it's to stop it spreading, I'm not daft.
But it's not working is it?
By the time people are contacted they might have spread it around anyway.
Someone going to a pub for an hour at 5.00pm for an hour, then getting pinged because of someone else who went in at 10.00pm, someone they didn't meet at all or had any contact with is ridiculous.

Edited to say, I've heard but don't know the truth of it is this.
If you go to a pub or restaurant apparently the app has you staying until midnight, regardless of how much time you spent there, so it pings everyone during that time frame. Like I said, not sure if that's right but I'm sure someone will verify.

I thought you were only alerted if you had been within 2m and for at least 15 minutes of a person who subsequently tests positive. Otherwise everyone in the country using the app would be alerted whenever they step out of the door.

That's how I understood the app was supposed to work when it was first introduced but it may have been changed.
 

Carole

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. But, these posts are sounding very me, me, me and I really hope I've got that wrong & please don't take offence, but.... Everything we've done is to keep everyone safe... And we should keep doing it for as long as it takes.

Yes now I'm offended.
People that know me in real life will tell you that I'm very unselfish and always put myself out for others.

Not once in any of my posts have I talked about me as an individual, I've only referred to society or the general public or the economy.

I'm not some selfish cow walking around maskless coughing on people.

I think everyone knows that you are scared to death, won't go to a restaurant etc and you have to deal with it on your own way.
But it's not fair to get personal with someone that feels differently.

I also understand that because of your fear you are worried about your son and daughter in law. My son also had it before he was vaccinated and was very poorly so I do understand a mothers worry.

But locking everyone up isn't the answer.

Out of curiosity @littleme what do you think is the answer?
 

EasMid

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I think @littleme was talking about hugging her elderly parents.
I also wouldn’t like to think I’d visited my 94 year old in-laws after bumping into an infected person in a shop even though we always have a rapid test before going to see them. We’re all double jabbed but that doesn’t eliminate the possibility of me killing them.
Edit. @Carole. I posted this before seeing your reply above.
I don’t think anyone’s advocating a lockdown, I’m certainly not but I do think the headlong rush to open everything up is a mistake as was letting thousands of people congregate for events like the Euros, Formula 1 etc etc.
 
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Carole

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I thought you were only alerted if you had been within 2m and for at least 15 minutes of a person who subsequently tests positive. Otherwise everyone in the country using the app would be alerted whenever they step out of the door.

That's how I understood the app was supposed to work when it was first introduced but it may have been changed.

A friend told me that he got a phone call because after staying in for 18 months he ventured out to the place that used to be the old Pizzz Express.
One of the staff had got it, the phone call said that he had to isolate for 10 days.

A friend of mine got a phone call too and had to give names and contact details of everyone she'd been in contact with in the last 48 hours.
 

Lucy

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A family member tested positive this week, double jabbed etc., after a full day at work in a Stafford retail store. I'm not going to name them. The family has been isolating since then, but today another one who is also double vaccinated tested positive. Now it was my dad's birthday on Friday, if they hadn't isolated they would have seen him and even though he is also double vaccinated at his age it is still likely to affect him severely.
 

littleme

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Yes now I'm offended.
People that know me in real life will tell you that I'm very unselfish and always put myself out for others.

Not once in any of my posts have I talked about me as an individual, I've only referred to society or the general public or the economy.

I'm not some selfish cow walking around maskless coughing on people.

I think everyone knows that you are scared to death, won't go to a restaurant etc and you have to deal with it on your own way.
But it's not fair to get personal with someone that feels differently.

I also understand that because of your fear you are worried about your son and daughter in law. My son also had it before he was vaccinated and was very poorly so I do understand a mothers worry.

But locking everyone up isn't the answer.

Out of curiosity @littleme what do you think is the answer?
I'm sorry you are offended, but to me that's how it sounds. We can disagree and still be friends, everyone has different opinions.

For me, I think everything is happening too soon, everything is too political, we've been left to fend for ourselves essentially. We are seen as idiots if we want to protect ourselves and our familys Or more like the choice has been given to the majority, but the majority isn't always right, the majority want their freedom, whatever the cost to the rest of society.


Mrlittleme says.... The problem with common sense is that it's not that common.
 

Carole

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A family member tested positive this week, double jabbed etc., after a full day at work in a Stafford retail store. I'm not going to name them. The family has been isolating since then, but today another one who is also double vaccinated tested positive. Now it was my dad's birthday on Friday, if they hadn't isolated they would have seen him and even though he is also double vaccinated at his age it is still likely to affect him severely.

I hope that you're Dad had a lovely birthday @ Lucy.
Out of curiosity though, if people were around your Dad anyway would they still have kept a distance?

I've got very vulnerable friends and although I see them, I'm very careful not to hug or go too close. For their safety and comfort.

Also its a thing now before visiting friends inside to test yourself before you go.
We had friends staying overnight recently, we all tested ourselves beforehand.
It's not such a difficult thing to do, it's a decent thing to do if visiting anyone in their own home, not just the vulnerable.
 

Lucy

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I do keep my distance, although I'm probably the family member least at risk as I work from home etc., but I'm not sure about anyone else.
 

Carole

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I'm sorry you are offended, but to me that's how it sounds.

For me, I think everything is happening too soon.

Isn't that exactly what you've just accused me of?
About "Me"

Because although I have a strong opinion, I never made it about just me. I was always considering how it was affecting the nation as a whole.
 

littleme

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Gosh, well. I would never in a million years hug anyone that hadn't been vaccinated. I wouldn't even go within 2 metres of them for their safety.
I'm presuming that you are talking about hugging unvaccinated people because it's very unlikely that a vaccinated person who catches it will die.
My 78 Yr old parents are of course double jabbed, as is my 28yr old daughter in law. Double jabbing does not stop anyone catching it or becoming seriously ill or dying from it.
 
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cj1

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For me, I think everything is happening too soon,
If we don't open now the exit wave may not be completed in time for winter. this will be incredibly dangerous as we would have to deal with covid and normal winter infections at the same time. Modeling tells us if we go now we have high case rates for the next few weeks through the summer peaking around end of August with somewhere between 100,000 to 200,000 cases a day but then drops rapidly to low levels by late autumn. Almost all who catch covid after 2 jabs plus 14 days have mild or asymptomatic infections the result of which is like getting a booster jab giving further protection. Nobody is saying this is without a small calculated risk not even the government. But the rewards could be big come winter. Other countries are watching with interest although be the time we have sold data it will probably be too late for the northern hemisphere this year to follow suit.
 

cj1

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My 78 Yr old parents are if course double jabbed, as is my 28yr old daughter in law. Double jabbing does not stop anyone catching it or becoming seriously ill or dying from it.
But is seriously reduces the risk you have to be incredibly unlucky do die of covid after 2 jabs. We are incredibly fortunate to have such good jabs, way more effective than the flu jab which is also a good jab.
 
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