Coronavirus.

Carole

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Double jabbing does not stop anyone becoming seriously ill or dying from it.
Yes it does, that's the point of it.
Why bother having it if you think otherwise?

To be precise it seriously reduces the risk.

And that in effect sums up my original post.
Why are people still treating it as a death sentence even after double jabbing
 
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littleme

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Yes it does, that's the point of it.
Why bother having it if you think otherwise?

To be precise it seriously reduces the risk.

And that in effect sums up my original post.
Why are people still treating it as a death sentence even after double jabbing
Reduces, that's all, not gets rid of.

I'm calling Gin O'clock (for me).

@Carole I really didn't mean to offend you. We can all have different opinions and all still get on.

Whatever we read on the Internet will never totaly sway us in our opinions, but it does help to see others points of view, and we will all continue to do what we feel we need to do to keep safe.

Everyone, stay safe in your own way x
 

Thehooperman

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If we don't open now the exit wave may not be completed in time for winter. this will be incredibly dangerous as we would have to deal with covid and normal winter infections at the same time. Modeling tells us if we go now we have high case rates for the next few weeks through the summer peaking around end of August with somewhere between 100,000 to 200,000 cases a day but then drops rapidly to low levels by late autumn. Almost all who catch covid after 2 jabs plus 14 days have mild or asymptomatic infections the result of which is like getting a booster jab giving further protection. Nobody is saying this is without a small calculated risk not even the government. But the rewards could be big come winter. Other countries are watching with interest although be the time we have sold data it will probably be too late for the northern hemisphere this year to follow suit.

Didn't Boris and co. use this argument last year?

What modelling are you referring to here and what makes you think there is such a thing as an exit wave?
 

Carole

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And because I've now got a massive bee in my bonnet about it I would like people to mull on this and give an honest answer.
I don't really truly expect any honest answers. People are in denial.

So my initial posts were about why the focus and panic was about corona virus and not on other things. OTHER equally important things.

Covid is killing 1% of the population and (some might argue that it's unpreventable).
Heart disease is the number one reason for deaths and in the main is totally preventable.

Heart disease is killing 10 times the amount of corona virus victims.

So all those who are terrified of dying of covid, are you seriously trying to prevent the other?

So while you are self isolating, not going anywhere, are you promoting self health and diet in other areas of your life?

Because it makes absolutely no sense to me to be terrified of one thing but totally ignore everything else that has more of a chance not only of killing you but totally debilitating your life.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Perhaps everyone should just chill and have a bottle of wine/gin.

I know I have and feel much better for it.

My guess is none of the armchair Covid experts on here (whatever side of the fence they are sitting) are qualified epidemiologists or have any influence upon government policy, so falling out is pretty pointless.

Besides, it's only a matter of time before Withnail posts up telling us all what we should be thinking, if only we were as intelligent as him.
 

littleme

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So all those who are terrified of dying of covid, are you seriously trying to prevent the other?

So while you are self isolating, not going anywhere, are you promoting self health and diet in other areas of your life?
WOW! Just wow...... Some of us, haven't had the luxury of isolating....
 

SketchyMagpie

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So all those who are terrified of dying of covid, are you seriously trying to prevent the other?

So while you are self isolating, not going anywhere, are you promoting self health and diet in other areas of your life?

Because it makes absolutely no sense to me to be terrified of one thing but totally ignore everything else that has more of a chance not only of killing you but totally debilitating your life.

This I think brings home exactly what you are missing about those who are been cautious, like myself: many of us are making personal sacrifices out of consideration for others, not fear for our own lives.

But in answer to your question, I cycle for one-two hours a day, eat a plant-based diet and drink lots of water.

I'm also double-jabbed (though only recently) and will not be living life any differently in the coming months than I have been. If anything I've cancelled plans with the infection rate going up.
 

SketchyMagpie

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A pretty thorough summary of where we stand and where we could go from one of the main data visualisers of the pandemic. Sharing as it addresses a few of the points raised, from multiple angles:

"In England, hospital & ICU admissions are now above the level where restrictions were introduced last year and continue to rise at the same rate as in previous waves."

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1416805533382742020

From later in the thread:

"Essentially, a lot of places are finding out what happens when you reduce the risk of hospital admission per case (vaccines) but then multiply that ratio by a lot more cases (over-enthusiastic reopening with millions still unvaccinated). The road ahead is anything but smooth.

It’s absolutely right that we (mostly-vaxxed countries) are having conversations about the way out of this. Endless restrictions can’t be the answer There must be an acceptable level of risk, but what is that level? It’s not clear we’re currently below it.

One option could be to follow France’s lead and further incentivise vaccination for the small proportion of people who have yet to get a jab. Another could be to keep in place the most low-friction restrictions (e.g wearing masks in poorly ventilated indoor spaces) for an additional length of time, or during winter seasons. Another option: requiring proof of immunity for admittance to mass indoor events.

Ploughing blithely on with reopening in the absence of any measures doesn’t have a great record so far. The Netherlands rapidly u-turned on their reopening last month after cases rocketed. Catalonia has reintroduced a curfew.

In a sense, all eyes are now on England as a test case for whether "vaccinate all adults who want the jab, then reopen" is a blueprint for emerging relatively smoothly from the pandemic, or whether it’s promptly followed by another u-turn."
 

Carole

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WOW! Just wow...... Some of us, haven't had the luxury of isolating....
Seriously, you think that isolating is a luxury?
Is that because if you take time off work you get paid anyway.

Those people who I know who have to isolate certainly don’t think it’s a luxury. On the contrary, it’s a massive inconvenience to people running their own business, or just anyone that has a job where people depend on them.

Some people have to close business's because of it, no luxury there.
 
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Lucy

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I know a lot of companies who have only paid SSP to isolating staff, which means some have had to choose between doing the right thing and paying their mortgage/rent.
 

Carole

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Perhaps everyone should just chill and have a bottle of wine/gin.

I know I have and feel much better for it.

My guess is none of the armchair Covid experts on here (whatever side of the fence they are sitting) are qualified epidemiologists or have any influence upon government policy, so falling out is pretty pointless.

Besides, it's only a matter of time before Withnail posts up telling us all what we should be thinking, if only we were as intelligent as him.


I tried to find you on this picture but couldn’t make you out.
Did you have a fabulous day?

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proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
I tried to find you on this picture but couldn’t make you out.
Did you have a fabulous day?

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That's because I was in the Paddock Club area, right above the pits.

Yes thanks, we had a great time. Chilling in the RV now with the air con on medium, as it's just too hot to be comfortable outside.

I've searched in vain for some popcorn to eat whilst watching this thread, so complimentary Châteauneuf du Pape will just have to be a poor second.

Anyway, don't mind me, do carry on.
 

Carole

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Yes thanks, we had a great time.

Anyway, don't mind me, do carry on.

No, I’m done with the negativity, the blatant double standards, people not listening, people not actually reading what I’ve written, people totally misconstruing my comments.
It’s distressing me.
 
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Carole

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Gosh, well. I would never in a million years hug anyone that hadn't been vaccinated. I wouldn't even go within 2 metres of them for their safety.
I'm presuming that you are talking about hugging unvaccinated people because it's very unlikely that a vaccinated person who catches it will die.
You didn’t answer the question @littleme

Is everyone visiting your elderly parents taking a test before visiting and hugging.?

Because why would anyone visit someone vulnerable without doing that?
 

littleme

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You didn’t answer the question @littleme

Is everyone visiting your elderly parents taking a test before visiting and hugging.?

Because why would anyone visit someone vulnerable without doing that?
Thankfully my parents are now on a boat, somewhere off the coast of Devon, instead of in Derrington where they could be hugged by any random stranger who doesn't give a feck about anyone else.

Please stop your personal attacks just because I have different view from yours.

Mrlittleme advises anyone who has doubts on the seriousness of covid, with or without double jabs should try working on a covid ward without ppe.
 

Gramaisc

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The outside world does seem to have some concerns about the UK basically giving up bothering much. Denmark has added the UK, except Wales, to its Red List, although, how a Danish border guard assesses Welshness is not clear.

Running large scale infections in a semi-vaccinated population is probably not a great idea.

A lot of simple actions could still be taken, which would reduce infection levels. These actions are also why flu has been largely absent for the last two winters. Covid is not an alternative to all the 'traditional' ailments, it is additional to them. We had two very near misses in recent years, with SARS and MERS, both of these were stopped by concerted actions from the states that they manifested themselves in initially. Freedom day - or Don't Bother Any More Day - seems like some sort of strutting, posturing, typical Johnsonesque fake bravado, that others (in general) will take the consequences for.

As for the accuracy of the UK phone app, maybe we might find out where the money has gone?

A lot of people don't really have the 'choice' about how to respond to the "new circumstances", they will 'choose' to isolate themselves, in the same way that a lot of ex-cyclists 'chose' to give up cycling, because car drivers don't care about their safety.

When Thatcher (allegedly) said "There's no so thing as society", she may have been merely making an observation, rather than a policy statement.
 

Carole

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Please stop your personal attacks just because I have different view from yours.
I haven’t made any personal attacks.
I’ve just asked reasonable and pertinent questions
Most of which you’ve not actually answered.

If anyone is being attacked right now, it’s me. I’m being attacked right, left and centre for my views.

As you said in an earlier post, you don’t know what’s going on in anyone’s lives.
But for the record, I’ve just spent the last hour sitting on a bench in the church yard, sobbing my heart out.
 
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