Another one gone - Shops closing in Stafford

[db]

I don't doubt they were excellent smoothies from Juicebox - I never tried them myself as I'm rarely in town.

I was just always put off by the pictures and stories on their facebook site, and the shop itself. It didn't portray a professional business to me.

Who cares how "professional" a business is? Personally, I'd much rather be in a friendly environment where someone has put some real thought and effort into it rather than some faceless institution with up to and over 50% profit margins (they must be if they can do those half price sales) so that they have the means to create more faceless institutions (or make someone (or a select few) stupidly rich), which by their very nature do not cater to the real needs/desires of local people as the business plan is dependent on a national or even international brand

you seem to have "professional" confused with "massive corporate entity".. of course you can be all of the things you mention above while remaining professional..

There is a HUGE difference between being professional and ethical...

they're not mutually exclusive, you know.. are you saying your beloved greenpeace aren't professional? are you saying Fairtrade isn't a professional organisation?


edit: actually, bad example; greenpeace aren't ethical at all..

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

There is a HUGE difference between being professional and ethical...

they're not mutually exclusive, you know.. are you saying your beloved greenpeace aren't professional? are you saying Fairtrade isn't a professional organisation?


edit: actually, bad example; greenpeace aren't ethical at all..

I didn't say they were mutually exclusive, I just said that they are not the same - although in my opinion the overlap isn't that huge. What is considered "professional" is actually rather subjective anyway, and people do have differing opinions on what is considered ethical. Maybe you should read what I have actually said instead of responding to what you would like to think I said.

Can you please provide evidence to back up your claim that Greenpeace "aren't ethical at all", or kindly adjust your statement. (Note that, after much amusement, I asked you to clarify rather than dismissing what you said as a crock of sh*t even though that is what usually happens to anything I say, even though most of my opinions and philosophies are well thought out and researched at some point.)

 

[db]

Maybe you should read what I have actually said instead of responding to what you would like to think I said.

for crying out loud, it's so frustrating when you insist on people repeating themselves to point out the obvious.. you're forever doing it! here:

It didn't portray a professional business to me.

There is a HUGE difference between being professional and ethical...

at no point did highguyuk, or anyone else for that matter, mention ethics.. however, here you are clearly implying that an entity cannot be professional while remaining ethical..

Can you please provide evidence to back up your claim that Greenpeace "aren't ethical at all"

the most recent event that springs to mind is when those idiots broke into stansted and caused the cancellation of loads of flights.. did they consider all the families whose christmas they were ruining? all the money these hard-working people had spent on a little holiday, only to have it ruined by hippies with too much time on their hands? hardly ethical, impacting the lives of thousands of innocent members of the public just to "fight" a lost cause..

and before you say, i'm aware it was "plane stupid" who conducted the protest, but the founder is a prominent greenpeace activist..

I asked you to clarify rather than dismissing what you said as a crock of sh*t even though that is what usually happens to anything I say, even though most of my opinions and philosophies are well thought out and researched at some point.)

scientology is well thought out and researched, hence why it is a huge, global, multi-billion dollar organisation.. doesn't mean it isn't a "crock of shit"

let's not turn this thread into another "lunar scorpion vs. sensible people" argument, you've got a thread for that somewhere..

 

[Wookie]

The Lottery / Information desk in the Guildhall also seems to have also closed which is quite annoying coz without that and Woolworths, the nearest Lottery desk is either Tesco or Sainsbury's. I can never find the desk in WH Smiths

http://www.expressandstar.com/2009/01/22/alarm-over-empty-shops/

it always amazes me when i see the enormous queues (literally 20 deep, sometimes) for lottery tickets.. surely people have heard of the internet??

More than have heard the payout rate of the National Lottery, anyway...
(50%, IIRC. That means that for every pound you spend, you can expect to win 50p. That's worse than a roulette wheel.)

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

let's not turn this thread into another "lunar scorpion vs. sensible people" argument

I rest my case.

 

[tek-monkey]

(50%, IIRC. That means that for every pound you spend, you can expect to win 50p. That's worse than a roulette wheel.)

Care to explain? Cos I thought roulette gave you a 49% chance if you went reds/blacks?

 

[db]

let's not turn this thread into another "lunar scorpion vs. sensible people" argument

I rest my case.

you rest your case by ignoring all of the evidence i presented in response to your direct request? lol

i rest my case.

 

[tek-monkey]

I think she means she wont get a proper debate as everyone is actually against her. Which is crap, just that most of us are against her thinking on how the world should be run.

As for unethical actions of Greenpeace, a quick google will turn up a few. There will always be some that say the lies they tell are fine though, they are justified by the results. Which is crap TBH.

 

[db]

I think she means she wont get a proper debate as everyone is actually against her. Which is crap, just that most of us are against her thinking on how the world should be run.

i realise that, but what is frustrating is when people take the time to answer her requests and post sensible, verbose rebuttals to her "points", which she invariably deliberately ignores (presumably because she has no defence) and then blames the fact she has lost the argument on her perceived notion that no-one likes her.. anyway, i'm doing exactly what i asked her not to by continuing the derailment, so let's stop lol..

so, shops closing in stafford - shit, eh?

 

[Rikki]

We may be losing shops but were getting a Pizza Hut next to new KFC. Signs went up a day or 2 ago.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

let's not turn this thread into another "lunar scorpion vs. sensible people" argument

I rest my case.

you rest your case by ignoring all of the evidence i presented in response to your direct request? lol

i rest my case.

I rest my case about you dismissing what I say as invalid, purely on the basis that it comes from me and I am a left-wing loony tree-hugger type who can't possibly know anything about anything because I live in some kind of fantasy land with absolutely no grip on reality whatsoever.

Also, I asked how Greenpeace was unethical - not some other loosely affiliated group, and I have said before (I think) that ethics can be rather subjective. I didn't realise that just because you followed up on my request that a reply from me was obligatory, and I couldn't care less whether I have won or lost the argument (if that is what this was) because let's face it, in your eyes I would always lose.

 

[My Name is URL]

I rest my case too if anyone is interested

 

[db]

We may be losing shops but were getting a Pizza Hut next to new KFC. Signs went up a day or 2 ago.

finally! we've been talking about this since may last year! every time i drive past the hough i look out for the signs going up, but it looks like you've beat me to it..

 

[tek-monkey]

Also, I asked how Greenpeace was unethical - not some other loosely affiliated group, and I have said before (I think) that ethics can be rather subjective.

Does lying in advertising campaigns to secure more funding count as unethical?

 

[db]

Does lying in advertising campaigns to secure more funding count as unethical?

you realise you are fighting a battle you cannot win?

much like greenpeace, in that respect

 

[Goldilox]

(50%, IIRC. That means that for every pound you spend, you can expect to win 50p. That's worse than a roulette wheel.)

Care to explain? Cos I thought roulette gave you a 49% chance if you went reds/blacks?

Yes but averaged out across the evening the house expects to keep about 5% of everything put down on the Roulette table - the rest going in one kind of payout or another, whether it's a big win on single number or evens on red/black. I think Wookie's point is that with the lottery the house keeps 50% of everything put down on the table.

 

[tek-monkey]

Ah, got ya! I was thinking from the punters side of things, but yeah that makes sense.

 

[My Name is URL]

I think Wookie's point is that with the lottery the house keeps 50% of everything put down on the table.

Not strictly true since a big chunk of the house's 50% goes to charity....

However the overall point that 50% of everything placed does not find its way back to the public....


Where does the money go?

The precise breakdown of where the money goes depends on the actual level of sales and types of game being sold. The average breakdown of the Lottery pound over the second licence has been:

50p paid to winners in prizes;
28p given to good causes;
12p goes to the Government in Lottery duty;
5p paid to National Lottery retailers on all National Lottery tickets sold; and
5p retained by the operator to meet costs and returns to shareholders.

 

[Gramaisc]

The stationery stall in the market is having a closing down sale.

 

[tijuanalady]

There have been many threads on KFC, so i was not sure where to put this news............. the KFC at Greyfriars has shut apparently. My sister works at the Jobcentre and was told it shut on Sunday, and all the staff were moving to the new store at the Hough.