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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Gramaisc, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. Gramaisc

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    They have the front of a Buccaneer on display at Cosford. This, according to my records, should be the driver's seat, but it looks a little unusual to me.

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    I imagine there were many variants over the years, and according to the role ….

     
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    It's the stick - any others that I've seen have had a "2CV gear selector"-type sliding stick.

    These things were all FAA when I had some access to planes, so you didn't see them very often.
     
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    Worth watching the interview with Ken Norman who went out with the Buccaneers to the Red Flag exercises in the USA. They met with a bit of derision at first with their 'Banana Bombers' but in the actual event they opened a few eyes. The speed and heights they were flying at …. !!! :eek:

     
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    Interesting flight Titan A318 flying medical supplies to St Helena in the South Atlantic this week, head of pilot training taking control due to the famous St Helena windshear on landing.
     
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    One of the things I'll be doing after the lockdown is disposing of 20 years worth of RIAT souvenir programmes. Anyone interested in taking them off my hands?

    If not, then I dare say they turn up at one of the Katharine House charity shops.

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    Not quite replicas!



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    Somebody I know put this pix up on a shipping history site. In 1946 a young lad watches HMS Vanguard moving down the Clyde to start her first sea trials. Now the only relationship between this pix and aviation is the fact that this mighty ship was obsolete even as it was launched because of airpower. She was the last battleship built for the Royal Navy, and I believe the last one ever built anywhere. And she was absolute state of the art, even if the concept was obsolete.
    She was scrapped in the early sixties, but I can't help but think she would have made a brilliant museum ship. I mean who wouldn't want to visit such a good looking monument to those colossal battlewagons that were first created by the RN. I suppose it just wasn't the style of that time although I note the US turned quite a few of their battleships into museums.

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    Maybe the closest link to airpower was because her main guns used barrels left over from when several post-WW1 "battlecruisers" were converted to carry aircraft.

    ETA Ooops .... I always thought it was the barrels, but it was the turrets that were of First World War vintage - from HMS Glorious and HMS Courageous. Various modifications like increasing the elevation to 30 degrees meant they were state of the art (at least as far as a late 1940s battleship could be termed "state of the art").
     
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    I think the above ship would have been abandoned at the time of building if they didn't have the main armament laying about doing nothing anyway.

    I personally think it's the best looking battleship out of all of them, worldwide. But fabulously expensive warships aren't really there to look good, unless of course they become a museum. In that it was an opportunity lost.
     
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    It's certainly a fine looking ship, though my favourite (whilst strictly not a battleship) was the Scharnhorst.

    I quite like these Japanese battlewagons as well. Do you ever get the feeling that the superstructure was designed by a committee?

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    I know you've heard it before and it's not aviation, but.....

     
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    Again, often heard, but always worth another go.




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    Took a few of those in my time, admittedly not quite the same as that. :buddy:
     
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    Although Leyte Gulf (Surigao Strait) was largely an engagement between battleships.
     
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    Although Missouri seems to have been the last USN battleship in service, it could well be that New Jersey was the last one 'in action', in the early '80s, shelling Lebanon.

    Those at the receiving end would have been able to see the 16" shells on their way to them...
     
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    I do wonder if the current very large aircraft carriers are really white elephants in disguise.
     
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    They're quite handy mobile airfields for when you're attacking people in the back of beyond and with limited means to respond, but against an adversary in the same league, it might be a different affair.
     
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    The fact is we're still thinking of naval engagements in local tactical terms. I personally think we're wasting money on these huge aircraft carriers, they're useful for taking the war to somewhere else … e.g. the Falklands and I did a bit of time down there. But they need a fleet just to protect them. And if attacking aircraft are carrying nuclear weapons in a major conflict .. then Putin is right. They're just big targets.

    The Buccaneer was developed for low level attack on warships with tactical nuclear weapons … and all of that is old hat technology now. We're fine if we're dealing with countries whose capabilities are far less than ours, but nuclear ?

    The entire Argentine fleet was swept off the sea by a nuclear sub with a conventional torpedo. It was only their air power that brought us to the brink … (worth mentioning with the loss of one merchant ship to air attack, the Atlantic Conveyor, the Army lost a lot of its helicopter capacity. Their job became much harder.)

    Nope, battleships were impressive, but true white elephants when airpower became dominant. Aircraft carriers might go the same way, air power in the form of autonomous missiles with nuclear capability might be the way to go … unless we get sensible … and decide warfare is not the way to resolve conflict.

    Yeah … like that's going to happen soon …. :eek:

    I still think the Vanguard would have made a great museum though.
     
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