Mikinton
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Of course you can; I voted Labour in 1997. You're just not trying (unlike the Conservatives who are actually trying to persuade Labour voters to vote for them).
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General Election 2017
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Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Not everybody cares as much as they say, I suspect - will shall see, sadly.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Here's one to get you guys seething.
If only May would debate we could see how well she fares. That accounts for abbot, not sure I get the references on the others. Is there evidence?
Studio Tan
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Here's the link to Jeremy LEFROY'S complete voting record with everything listed under respective headings - Defence / Welfare / Taxation / Economy / Health etc etc :
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24760/jeremy_lefroy/stafford/votes
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24760/jeremy_lefroy/stafford/votes
Withnail
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Without wishing to be a complete hard-on about it, the question is not, of course, whether any party can 'persuade Tory voters' to vote for them.
'Tory voters', by their very nature, will vote Tory.
The question is, whether they can persuade 'floating' voters - those that can be 'persuaded' either way - to vote Y rather than X.
The other question is, how many of said 'floating' voters exist within any given Constituency?
The corollary of those questions determines whether it is worth making any effort whatsoever.
Which remains the most charming thing about the FPTP system.
Wait, did i say charming? Other terms and conditions may apply.
'Tory voters', by their very nature, will vote Tory.
The question is, whether they can persuade 'floating' voters - those that can be 'persuaded' either way - to vote Y rather than X.
The other question is, how many of said 'floating' voters exist within any given Constituency?
The corollary of those questions determines whether it is worth making any effort whatsoever.
Which remains the most charming thing about the FPTP system.
Wait, did i say charming? Other terms and conditions may apply.
Mikinton
Well-Known Forumite
The leaked Labour Party manifesto.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/11/read-labours-leaked-manifesto-full-text/
https://order-order.com/2017/05/11/read-labours-leaked-manifesto-full-text/
Withnail
Well-Known Forumite
What continues to baffle is quite why having an increased majority in the House 'strengthens' our Dear Leader's 'hand' in the negotiations ahead?
Whether the weather be hard,
Or whether the weather be runny,
Or whether the weather be red-white-and-blue,
It's not going to be very funny.
Only some of it is up to 'us'. More of it is up to 'them'.
Why the McShit should 'they' be concerned about the balance of the House of Hee-Haws?
Whether the weather be hard,
Or whether the weather be runny,
Or whether the weather be red-white-and-blue,
It's not going to be very funny.
Only some of it is up to 'us'. More of it is up to 'them'.
Why the McShit should 'they' be concerned about the balance of the House of Hee-Haws?
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
Given that 7 billionaires own 90% of news media and therefore hold the real power in politics, it's no surprise that any intelligent broad thinking human being considering entering a or starting a political party is held back in the knowledge that a character assassination is only moments away whilst the gullible population drink in every poisonous word
We are poorly served because of an increasing inbalance in power
We are poorly served because of an increasing inbalance in power
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Maybe she plans on making decisions even conservatives may dislike, so needs to bolster her majority here to ensure she's allowed to say things there?
joshua
Well-Known Forumite
A staged leak to test the water, the real thing is going to be rewritten many times before publishing
1JKz
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Fess up.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
They need to hurry up, it's next month! Any sign of the conservatives one?
I've been thinking on this for a while now, and still can't work out how?
I've been thinking on this for a while now, and still can't work out how?
Mikinton
Well-Known Forumite
I'm struggling as well. Maybe check out what Blair did in 1997. Thinking back, my vote then was primarily to give a tired, lacklustre Tory government a kick rather than a positive vote for Labour. (I thought 5 years out of government might do the Tories good - a little like NUFC dropping into the Champonship. How wrong I was.)
One thing Labour I believe should do is moderate their approach to zero-hours contracts. Whilst there's a lot wrong with them, a lot of people benefit from them, and on both sides of the fence. Rather than ban them completely, better to say they'll tightly regulate them, and come up with some suggestions how. Anyway, aren't Supply Teachers effectively on zero-hours contracts?
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
I actually meant I don't see how the conservatives are trying to persuade Labour voters! Unless you mean Blair reappearing anyway.
As for the zero hour contracts thing, the issue is I know a lot have people that have been really screwed by them. They are a way to give a company a flexible agency style workforce but without the pesky trouble of paying more for the inconvenience. If a zero hours contract meant they could not discriminate against you if you can't work when they ask it'd be a lot better than currently, where you are expected to be on call effectively and if you turn down a few shifts they suddenly stop finding work for you. If an employer is so unsure of how many staff they need day to day they should use an agency, they shouldn't have people hanging on in the hope they might be able to afford their rent this week.
The thing is you can't say they must offer either a zero hour or a fixed, because they will just not hire those who want a fixed income. I'm not sure how to keep zero hour contracts without keeping a way for the employers to expect you to always be ready to work but never know if you'll have any work at all. It's a lot harder to claim benefits if you have a zero hours contract too, because you have a job. It doesn't matter that you might not have had any hours in weeks, its still a job. I know someone in a zero hour contract for West Midlands Safari Park, they close over the winter but he's still on contract. Had to wait 6 weeks with no money for a letter from them to give to the job centre just to allow him to apply for benefits.
I know a few people that zero hour contracts have worked for, but they had very good bosses. Certainly the exception rather than the rule.
EDIT: Basically I think it is unfair to have staff that have no idea when, or even if, they will have any work this week. How are you meant to live if you don't even know if you can afford to eat day to day?
As for the zero hour contracts thing, the issue is I know a lot have people that have been really screwed by them. They are a way to give a company a flexible agency style workforce but without the pesky trouble of paying more for the inconvenience. If a zero hours contract meant they could not discriminate against you if you can't work when they ask it'd be a lot better than currently, where you are expected to be on call effectively and if you turn down a few shifts they suddenly stop finding work for you. If an employer is so unsure of how many staff they need day to day they should use an agency, they shouldn't have people hanging on in the hope they might be able to afford their rent this week.
The thing is you can't say they must offer either a zero hour or a fixed, because they will just not hire those who want a fixed income. I'm not sure how to keep zero hour contracts without keeping a way for the employers to expect you to always be ready to work but never know if you'll have any work at all. It's a lot harder to claim benefits if you have a zero hours contract too, because you have a job. It doesn't matter that you might not have had any hours in weeks, its still a job. I know someone in a zero hour contract for West Midlands Safari Park, they close over the winter but he's still on contract. Had to wait 6 weeks with no money for a letter from them to give to the job centre just to allow him to apply for benefits.
I know a few people that zero hour contracts have worked for, but they had very good bosses. Certainly the exception rather than the rule.
EDIT: Basically I think it is unfair to have staff that have no idea when, or even if, they will have any work this week. How are you meant to live if you don't even know if you can afford to eat day to day?
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
People are inherently stupid
They may have no other outwardly symptoms
But half the population cannot be bothered to examine why or cannot comprehend how they have been played for fools
No point rambling on about because of the above
Simple Slogans for Simple Minds
( they all promise you a miracle)
They may have no other outwardly symptoms
But half the population cannot be bothered to examine why or cannot comprehend how they have been played for fools
No point rambling on about because of the above
Simple Slogans for Simple Minds
( they all promise you a miracle)
Mikinton
Well-Known Forumite
Sorry, I misunderstood .... though I maintain that the strategy is effectively the same, namely to attract those voters closest to your point of view that voted for the other lot last time.
We'll know more of "conservatives are trying to persuade Labour voters" when their manifesto is published, but one example might be the proposed regulation of / cap on fuel prices. Obviously it depends on where they set the cap, but (for the Tories) it's a move in the right direction, suggesting that they're aware of the problem and that they may be not too set in their ways to do something about it.