Photography- Light Box Advice Needed

cookie_monster

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right, its become increasingly apparent over the last few weeks that i can no longer rely on nature to provide the optimum light needed for me to take product shots of my stock for uploading.

im going to have to bite the bullet and get some technology into my set-up and invest in a light box....but im not a photographer, i point, i shoot and i hope to god that its in focus!

can anybody offer any advice on how to go about genning up on what exactly i need without baffling me with jargon?

if anybody can recommend any set-ups too, that would be great.

many thanks,

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Astro Boy

Pocket Rocket
Well, the simplest setup is a single light and a reflector.
(Main light from one side and a big white reflector to fill in the shadows on the other side)

Ideally two lights with soft boxes above the product angled in at 45 degrees. This dispells any shadows and shows your product exactly how it is.

A soft box goes over the light source and diffuses the light, softening the edge of shadows.

If your background is white you will need to illuminate it.

This is well basic - if you want style, your imagination is the limit but you'll need some knowledge of the basics. Get hold of a book form the library or find a magazine that has basic lighting techniques within. These will tell you what equipment you need.

If you can find a Jessops that has someone who knows about this stuff go in and get advice. A more local, independent photograhic shop might be a greater source of knowledge.

It's quite difficult to describe what you need here without giving you jargon to the max and writing a 3000 word report. Perhaps another forumite (shoes?) could articulate / communicate it better. Being a pro, I'm immersed in this shiz and can get carried away forgetting that the simplest jargon can confuse.

Those that can - do, those that can't - teach. Those that cant teach, teach anyway - according to ofsted and the special needs situation!

Anyway............... photography
 

cookie_monster

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cool, thank you!

ive been having a nosy round the folksy forums in between as there is a bit of advice on there.

i can see how this would work for jewellery...but how would it work if i needed to photo the items on a display head and from the front?

do the lights have to be photographic lights? i can see this turning into a rather pricey investment....


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Astro Boy

Pocket Rocket
Ideally yes - photographic lights have the power and control.

Display head - one light and a reflector. Use a spot light to illuminate from the side (45 degrees to head) and slightly higher. The reflector on the other side (quite close but not in shot!) will bounce the light into the other side of the head filling in the shadows.

Uber basic..............
 

shoes

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You need a bright light, very bright, upwards of 100w output would be ideal. A 'daylght' bulb would certainly help but not essential as your camera will correct the white balance pretty well on it's own. The light will need to be somewhat directional so a desk lamp or similar would be perfect. You will then need a nice diffused reflective surface, a room with a white ceiling and white walls would be the money shot. Not too glossy though, matt white is where it's at. Point the light at the ceiling above the product to be photographed and then use your camera with a tripod.

The results will be surprisingly professional even with a compact camera.

I've not tried making a light box but there are a few good guides on the interwebnet and the results from them are superb. As astro has said lighting for photography is a degree worthy subject in it's own right, it's taken me the best part of 5 years of hobby photography to get my head around it all.

The basics are thus:

Even, diffused light. Any object receiving light directly from the source will have massive contrast which you don't want. By diffusing the light you create a much more uniform illumination of the subject.

Diffusers can be really simple, from putting a layer of grease paper between the light source to the subject all the way to hyper expensive precision engineered flash optics. Bouncing the light from a matt painted ceiling will diffuse the light very well, I use this technique with my speedlight (pro flash) at weddings etc. White walls reflect the light which has reflected from the ceiling and give that nice uniform coverage.

As you will be inside and have low light the camera will automatically keep the shutter open for longer to get the correct amount of light into the sensor to give a good photo. If the subject moves when the shutter is open the photo will become blurred, therefore, use a tripod to hold everything steady when then photo is being taken.

To avoid your pressing of the button shaking the camera at all, use the timer feature. I.e. set up the photo, turn the flash off (VERY important!), set it to timer (as short as possible really), press the button and then stand well back and sit low if you can to avoid disrupting the light bouncing around the room.

Any questions you know where to find me!

EDIT: You won't go far wrong, ahem 'investing', in lightroom, a piece of software from adobe. I can give you any advice you need on using it, I have been using it for 3 years now for developing photos and am pretty au fait. I can of course also master you photos for you at a special forum/mates rates!
 

shoes

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Here is an example of using the ceiling as a diffuser at a wedding. You will notice the uniform lighting, pleasant contrast and above all - no shadows!

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EDIT: And the reflection of the lighting off the ceiling and walls on Glen's face!
 

My Name is URL

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So you are basically looking for a white pop up tent?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/50CM-PHOTO-SOFT-BOX-LIGHT-TENT-CUBE-4-COLOUR-BACKDROP-/330471646297?pt=UK_Photography_StudioEquipment_RL&hash=item4cf1a52459#ht_3761wt_989
 

cookie_monster

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oh eck, i didnt realised there was that much kit involved!

i have already had a practice using 'filler' light when the sun has been a little past its best, but it didnt really work. im not sure that the halagen desklight i used was really quite enough! lol

luckily, my subject is very very still so no worries there....the day she moves im really in trouble!

the only 'white room' i have is the work room....but if i need that much space for kit then ill have to decamp to the dining room where the natural light is quite frankly appalling.

hmm, i think id better get saving too :(


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shoes

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Extra kit is only going to help you if a) the basic kit you have is not fulfilling the requirements and b) you know how to use it. I would be inclined to do it on the cheap at first using the method I described. What kind of camera do you have? Does it have a hot shoe on it for attaching external flash units? If it does it will look similar to this:

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If so then I would recommend a speedlight and a 99p diffuser. Something like this would be ideal and is relatively inexpensive:

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One on ebay, I bet this sells for less than £30
 

cookie_monster

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lol....nope mine is a digital point and shoot affair- but i have mastered the macro setting (or flower setting as i like to call it ;))

you know, the sort you take on holiday!

as for kit, read:

top of drawers
white painted wall
polysterene display head
big window (flawed as has diamond pattern leading and if the sun shines too brightly through it i get stripy shadows!)


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shoes

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You don't want sunlight anyway it ruins photographs. Selfishly I always wish for overcast weather for weddings I'm shooting, sunlight is a menace.

Think about the diffused light, the most powerful light in out solar system is also a single point source and at around 93 million miles, that point is pretty small! You'd be better sticking a thin sheet or even some tracing paper over your window to diffuse it a little.
 

cookie_monster

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i get what youre saying, but overcast darkens the room too much.

i been using light constant cloud to diffuse the light enough to be bright enough to see and without the flash....but as i say nature isnt at my beckon call.

plus, now the sun is lower in the sky it isnt lighting the room in the same way...hence the need for artifical light.

that said, everything needs to retain its true colour- something which flash alters which is why i try and avoid it (aside from the shadow halos)

will have a go with the ideas suggested so far though- thank chaps :)


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shoes

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I use the flash as little as possible, I'm much more of a get the tripod out and extend the shutter time kinda guy.

If you use a tripod and suppress the flash then it will compensate for you. I cannot stress enough now important the tripod is though in this.

Even if the natural light is only 1% of what it normally is in the day, if you can expose the photograph long enough you will get a perfect shot, with no colour degradation.

Personally I'd look at getting something like a used nikon D40. You could also get a used canon but I can't show you how to use that and it would probably end up going through your window before long as they are as user friendly as a New Sony piece of s**t which doesn't f***ing work (NSFW!!!!!).
 

cookie_monster

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hmmm, i might have to have a play about with that then.

thanks again,

x

ps. shoes, please clear your inbox- ive been trying to send you a pm all morning! lol
 
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