Staffies! Is it the Dog? Or the Owner

Staffies! Is it the dog? or the owner that is the problem?

  • Staffy

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Owner

    Votes: 23 95.8%

  • Total voters
    24

Tinkerbell

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My personal opinion is - it's the owner. I've seen some right soppy soft Staffies and other supposedly dangerous dogs. They are all big softies and been treated well x

No matter what the breed they need treating with respect.
 

0liverC

Active Member
It's sickening to see sooooooo many Staffies in need of re-homing. Being bred for breeding's sake.

It's a bit of both I think. Chav's have the dogs for status yet don't know how to handle them. The dogs themselves can be temperamental so having an owner that would know how to handle it would be half the battle.
 

kyoto49

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I just can't get on board with the opinion that this is purely the owners and nothing to do with the temperament of the breed, sorry, but I can't.

We all know Staffies that are soft as anything and not owned by 'chavs', but there are also Staffies correctly brought up who prove problematic and revert to 'breed type' (aggressively) in certain situations.

Lad I know has recently had an 8 week old Staffie, and he's done everything he can to bring it up as a loving family pet, and it is, but age 6 months, despite massive amounts of socialisation with other dogs it is very very protective of it's things. Recently my dog went near a stick the staffie was chewing and it growled, the kind of growl that no six month old puppy should be sending out when another young unthreatening dog goes near it's stick.. Had my dog had any bottle no doubt a seriously unpleasant incident would have occurred, cos that Staffy pup was not for backng down. I don't know another breed that is so aggressive when roused with other dogs.

Furthermore, last week, lady with a 4 year old male Staffie was playing with my dog and a Beagle. Beagle lay on it's back playing and the Staffie stood rigid over it. Beagle was submissive so accepted the dominance, but the minute my dog tried to play with the beagle the Staffie let out a very long low growl to warn him off. Again, my dog is not for fighting and is very submissive so nothing untoward happened and I put my lad on the lead to prevent anything nasty occuring. But both of these Staffies are well bought up and living in loving family environments, yet both have that streak in them for aggression towards other dogs. In the right hands this is controlled, but it's still there and to deny this is just wrong

No doubt the chavs and their ways don't help, but there is no doubt in my mind that this breed are dog-aggressive, more than any other breed in my opinion.
 

Morticia

Well-Known Forumite
The Kennel Club states Temperament Bold, fearless and totally reliable. We can also see the temperament described as:
Although individual differences in personality exist, common traits exist throughout the Staffords. Due to its breeding, and history, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is known for its character of fearlessness and loyalty.This, coupled with its affection for its friends, its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, make it a foremost all-purpose dog

Years of Bad breeding has led to some dog being bred for aggression but from experience they are sweet creatures with a bad reputation. I rescued a young Staff nearly 10 years ago from a 'chav' who I have no doubt would have forced him to become a savage 'devil dog'. Instead I put in the work and socialised him with cats, kids, dogs, children, oaps and everything in between. He is a wonderful dog and still even as he has become a grumpy old man who has been attacked 8 times by other dogs (4 times by Labradors!) he remains brilliant with other dogs he even lets our pup bully him.

I have met so many on my daily dog walk who are exactly the same and I have met some who have some issues and some who are down right frigtening. We cannot judge a breed by the actions of some dogs. Take for example the Dogo Argetino 1 of the 4 dogs classified as dangerous by DEFRA and who restrictions on ownership but I attacks on people are rare and the most famous one I can think of is Morocho (google him it will make you cry) he saved children from a mountain lion!

We only get the bad press if people take the time you have a look there are far more acts of heroism by Staffies than horrific attacks. Here is a few to make you smile.
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/...-baby-s-life/story-11362495-detail/story.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staffordshire-bull-terrier-saves-teenage-2026911
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/home/staffordshire-bull-terrier-saves-barrow-girl-1.989667
https://thefamiliarspirit.wordpress...er-dies-saving-her-owner-from-four-attackers/


I'm sure we will be debating how awful another breed is in the future, when I was child everyone was terrified of Rottweilers and German Shepherds but not so much now. What will be next? Just because stupid children like to set animals on each other and other dogs and cant control them the whole breed shouldn't suffer.

Softer than you think.
http://www.battersea.org.uk/apex/webarticle?pageId=005-staffies-softerthanyouthink
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
I just can't get on board with the opinion that this is purely the owners and nothing to do with the temperament of the breed, sorry, but I can't.

Fair enough.

We all know Staffies that are soft as anything and not owned by 'chavs', but there are also Staffies correctly brought up who prove problematic and revert to 'breed type' (aggressively) in certain situations.

As per any dog breed then.

Lad I know has recently had an 8 week old Staffie, and he's done everything he can to bring it up as a loving family pet, and it is, but age 6 months, despite massive amounts of socialisation with other dogs it is very very protective of it's things.

Similar to a 2-3 year old human child then?

Recently my dog went near a stick the staffie was chewing and it growled, the kind of growl that no six month old puppy should be sending out when another young unthreatening dog goes near it's stick.

See above.

Had my dog had any bottle no doubt a seriously unpleasant incident would have occurred, cos that Staffy pup was not for backng down. I don't know another breed that is so aggressive when roused with other dogs.

Pretty much all working dogs, and also domesticated versions of working dogs. Even my greyhounds will go for you if you try to take a stick or a bone off them and they're the worst guard dogs ever and treat all other dogs as if they're not even there.

Furthermore, last week, lady with a 4 year old male Staffie was playing with my dog and a Beagle. Beagle lay on it's back playing and the Staffie stood rigid over it.

This is normal dog behaviour.

Beagle was submissive so accepted the dominance,

Lying on the back is not necessarily a sign of submissiveness.

but the minute my dog tried to play with the beagle the Staffie let out a very long low growl to warn him off.

Dogs have emotions like we do and jealousy is strongly observed in dogs.

Again, my dog is not for fighting and is very submissive so nothing untoward happened and I put my lad on the lead to prevent anything nasty occuring. But both of these Staffies are well bought up and living in loving family environments, yet both have that streak in them for aggression towards other dogs. In the right hands this is controlled, but it's still there and to deny this is just wrong

To deny that every other breed also has examples of this trait is also just wrong.

No doubt the chavs and their ways don't help, but there is no doubt in my mind that this breed are dog-aggressive, more than any other breed in my opinion.

Whilst you're entitled to your opinion, it's completely wrong.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
My sister has two chihuahuas and when I enter the house they go mental, barking like mad. Its not just me, they do it to most people. They snarl, they go rigid, their eyes go huge. This breed is obviously aggressive, more so than any other dog type I have ever encountered.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
My sister has two chihuahuas and when I enter the house they go mental, barking like mad. Its not just me, they do it to most people. They snarl, they go rigid, their eyes go huge. This breed is obviously aggressive, more so than any other dog type I have ever encountered.
The most vicious dog that I've ever met was a chihuahua - if it had been a 'proper dog', it would have required an armed response unit.
 

Withnail

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Morticia

Well-Known Forumite
Firstly Shoes, wow! Fellow dog lover love your points!
Tek and gram a lot of small dogs have Napoleon syndrome, they are so cute and tiny people let them do what they want and become out of control little monsters! My aunt had a chihuahua years ago named Pepe and it would hide under the sofa until anyone sat on it and then full on attack the back of whos legs were available, he had to be dragged off snarling and snapping. He was evil!
However my nans staffie looks like he would like to rip everything limb from limb yet he is the most well behaved gentle natured animals, my nan is 85 and half deaf , has had a hip and a knee replacement and lots of arthritis and a hole in her heart yet can walk him with his lead in 1 hand walking stick in the other.
Just imagined if Pepe was the size of a staffie let alone an Alsation!
 

United57

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My grandparents had sheep dogs that lived in flocks to protect them against wolves. They were very docile until the wolves attacked. It shows what breeding can do. Again in the last 15 years irresponsible breeders and dog owners have turned staffies into a dog they were not supposed to be.
 
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littleme

250,000th poster!
My nextdoor neighbour has a Staffy, I was VERY wary when they moved in as my daughters scared of dogs & you hear such bad things about that breed in particular.

One day from the kitchen window I spotted it shoving its way through the hedge into our garden. PANIC. By the time I got the back door open I couldn't see it, I armed myself with a broom & went hunting......I found it.....pinned in a corner by my 2 cats! It was terrified....poor thing was whining & shaking & I was laughing so much that I had trouble explaining to the neighbours where it was! It really is a lovely soft dog.....I am still wary of other Staffys though, but that's because of all the bad press.

If you want evil, when I was little I had a Dachshund that would of ripped you limb from limb!
 
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