Stafford Hospital, Council Tax

[Withnail]

When is you(sic) appraisal ? Given your actions lets(sic) see what mark you are given, and how is used(sic) as evidence by the mangement(sic) to cull you as a poor performer. I hope you have a generous redundancy payment.

hop, dude, as cavalier as you appear to be with the notion of a contract, a contract is just that - an agreement as to what is expected of you from your employer and what you can expect in return from them. Not everybody believes this relationship to be as fluid as you evidently wish.

If we were to agree that if i cleaned your car, you would take my dog for a walk (i don't have a dog) and i failed to clean your car, i trust you would be unwilling to walk my imaginary dog.

Some people are money rich but time poor, others are time rich but money poor.

You earns your money, you takes your choice.

 

[tek-monkey]

When is you appraisal ? Given your actions lets see what mark you are given, and how is used as evidence by the mangement to cull you as a poor performer. I hope you have a generous redundancy payment.

Who cares? The last time I checked meeting your contractual obligations was not a sackable offence, quite the opposite. If you want more from people then change their contract and compensate them accordingly, its rather simple. Also don't expect people on lower than average incomes to give a flying **** how well the company performs, as long as it survives the profits are of no concern to someone that doesn't get a cut. Why make your boss richer but not yourself?

 

[Withnail]

Unless i am very much mistaken, it is a lack of phone sanitizers that will spell doom for the planet.

Tell me, who will think of the phone sanitizers?

 

[Arcadesteve]

When is you appraisal ? Given your actions lets see what mark you are given, and how is used as evidence by the mangement to cull you as a poor performer. I hope you have a generous redundancy payment.

I have been with the company six years and counting. My employer would rather get rid of the timid who are too afraid to say no than get rid of me. My work ethic is not in question here. I'm a old fashioned grafter between the hours of eight and five. But once my contractual obligations are met i walk out the door. The folk who are too afraid to say no, who put in the hours and do overtime for free are the ones being culled.

Like i said in my previous post. Your contract means everything because everything comes back to your contract.

 

[Alan B'Stard]

When is you appraisal ? Given your actions lets see what mark you are given, and how is used as evidence by the mangement to cull you as a poor performer. I hope you have a generous redundancy payment.

It's posts like these that really make me miss the Cuffy button.

Could we have an arsehole one instead?

 

[hop]

It's posts like these that really make me miss the Cuffy button.

Could we have an arsehole one instead?

I take it you don't want to accept reality. The simply matter is if a manager decides someone is a trouble maker it is a simple matter to remove them from the work place. The appraisal system can be used for this purpose.
You give someone poor feedback, then implementation a consultation period when staff are informed there will be redundancies. In theory everyone is up for the chop but as justification low appraisal scores are frequently used.

This is a reality of life, there is no point living with your head in the sand, knowing how a workplace works is to your advantage.

I was merely point out the the posters choice might not have been a wise decision and it would be easy to take recriminative actions without having to worry about unfair dismissal claims or the like.

 

[Mikinton]

I was merely point out the the posters choice might not have been a wise decision and it would be easy to take recriminative actions without having to worry about unfair dismissal claims or the like.

All other things being equal, you may be right, but it sounds like the poster is confident enough in his contribution to his employer (relative to his colleagues) that he needs only to work his contracted hours. You could even take the view that anyone that needs to work extra hours to get their work done can't be as good as the person that can do their work within the hours they're actually being paid for.

My view is that you should always aim to work within your contracted hours, both from the long term health-and-safety point of view (going off with stress does no one any good), and because if you get into the habit of working overly long hours, then on the occasions when your employer asks you to give 110%, you'll find you've nothing more to give them.

 

[Gramaisc]

I've seen people being 'managerial' and hanging on in the evening until somebody else gave in and was the first to leave - then they could all go home, having displayed their loyalty..

 

[Alan B'Stard]

I was merely point out the the posters choice might not have been a wise decision and it would be easy to take recriminative actions without having to worry about unfair dismissal claims or the like.

No. What you actually said was

"When is you appraisal ? Given your actions lets see what mark you are given, and how is used as evidence by the mangement to cull you as a poor performer. I hope you have a generous redundancy payment."

When Arcadesteve has stated he is a grafter within his contacted working hours, has been identified as potential management (notice the correct spelling?) material but will not work unpaid overtime and has encouraged others to do the same.

It was out of order and showed complete ignorance of what had been written.

 

[hop]

... and has encouraged others to do the same.

It was precisely because of this action the statement was made, in many workplaces such action would result in recriminations.
I fail to see how this is ignorant of the facts.

 

[tek-monkey]

If a company wants people to work extra hours it should compensate them, trying to breed a culture of working for free is in nobodies interest but the management, and as they already earn more they can **** off!

As I've said before, I'll happily work for free when I choose. The second its expected of me I start clock watching, I've done it before and as long as you work slightly more than a colleague they like there is bugger all they can do. Of course it is also at this point I start looking elsewhere for work, I find it hard to work for people who treat you like their possession rather than an employee. Luckily finding a job has never been particularly difficult.

 

[Arcadesteve]

Don't get me wrong. If my job is not done by the time my shift ends i am more than happy to stay behind and get the job done. But all of my responsibilities are fulfilled by and more often than not before my shift ends, at which point i help out in other areas of the business (often sales). But the notion that i should stay behind just because it is expected is rubbish. I am more than happy to take that expectation to court because it doesn't stand up to my contract. If my employer wanted me to work 8-6 instead of 8-5 they should have put it my contract in the first place or ammended my contract when they felt it was needed. They didn't, so as defined in the contract between me and them i finish at 5 o'clock

 

[Abyss]

If the NHS are paying overtime to doctors this signifies poor contract negotiation. Doctors are typically salaried staff who earn over 100k per year. Most salaried staff do not receive overtime.
Its not surprise that due to the actions of the last government doctors are earning significantly larger sums of money and working fewer hours.

Only consultants in hospitals earn that much.

 

[ATJ]

That woman is in the press again, now she's making a book about it. Apparently, 5 years on and things haven't improved at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...gil-dying-mother-exposed-hospital-horror.html

 

[Gramaisc]

That woman is in the press again, now she's making a book about it. Apparently, 5 years on and things haven't improved at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...gil-dying-mother-exposed-hospital-horror.html

There has been some discussion of this aspect here - http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/index.php?threads/ward-to-whitehall.10614/