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That vegan thread

Discussion in 'Lifestyle, Health & Diet' started by 1JKz, May 8, 2017.

  1. 1JKz

    1JKz Well-Known Forumite

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    This is the thread for all things vegan.


    Vegan events, vegan recipes, new vegan range at supermarkets and the like, vegan ethos, vegan stories (both inspiring and funny), vegan jokes, vegan understanding and vegan misunderstandings, vegan dudes and dudesses, vegan this and vegan that but most of all ...vegan love.


    That last bit was a joke!




    EDIT: this thread started out as Vegetarian or vegan with the main aim (for me anyway) in discussing; eating out and where to go as a vegan in Stafford. It slowly turned into an all-emcompassing vegan thread hence the change above.

    The original thread starter text is here -

    I was unsure where to put this thread, opted for General Chat, but could easily have gone in Eating Out.

    So, hands up who's what, vegetarian or vegan?

    I'm particularly interested in those that are vegan and who have had nice experiences eating out and about, in Staffordshire.

    Also and for example (and great call @ChrisLewis), the great people at @TheLewisPartnership have a themed night.
    https://www.theswanstafford.co.uk/eat/vegetarian-and-vegan-menu/#.WRAxMG61uUl
    https://www.theswanstafford.co.uk/themed-dining-nights/
    Though, the themed nights says 2015, have you got any Tipp-Ex?

    EDIT: Moved to 'Lifestyle, Health & Diet'
     
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    To correct myself, the v and v menu's on every night at The Swan from what i gather, hurrah.
    I'm booking in this week to try a vegan choice, or two, or three, etc
     
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    I'm a vegetarian and have been for 15 years!
    I love eating out at Pastiche!
    I'm sorry but I never found the Swan very impressive or exciting food wise.
    The Greyhound at Burston does a smashing veggie lasagna and the Holly Bush at Salt always has a good veggie selection!
     
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    Sorry to be pedantic but I'd like clarification on the wording nowadays of vegetarian/vegan.

    When I did my dietary training thing yonks ago I was taught this...

    There are two types of vegetarian.

    Lacto and Vegan

    Lacto. Not eating the flesh of an animal but eating the product of an animal such as milk and cheese.
    Vegan. Stricter, nothing to do with animal origin.

    So has the wording changed?

    Does vegetarian now mean lacto?
     
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    Generally*, yes.

    Vegetarian is not eating dead animals.

    Vegan is not eating animal produce.

    There are many striations between, and outside, those levels.

    Fructarians aim not to harm the plants, for example, eating what would normally fall from the plant without hastening its death.


    * There are people who will avoid milk products, but eat eggs, for example - (eggsample).
     
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    What Gram said - plus some people don't eat meat but eat fish = pescatarian.

    Btw - out of town but of you ever go past a Gourmet Burger Kitchen you MUST go in!!!

    Their veggie burgers are unreal!!

    Nom nom nom
     
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    We are all adherents of a food regime of some sort, for whatever reasons.

    Few people around here would eat reptile meat, insects, or the sort of animals that we hold sacred, cats, dogs, etc, even if they were produced in what are acceptable conditions for cows, pigs, sheep, etc.

    And there are a lot of parts of animals that are much less sought-after these days.

    About the only direct food substance from insects is honey. Yet they are a fairly easy resource to farm - but not to market.



    There are even people who advocate a raw vegan diet - I have a copy of this bloke's book somewhere, should you wish to have a go at it.

    https://www.aypoupen.com/2614/the-f...hovannessian-the-father-of-the-raw-food-diet/
     
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    I'm not vegetarian but I loooove vegi food especially vegetarian sausages and Tesco used to sell quorn turkey escalopes mmmmmmm . I never ate meat until I was 21 , meat was my pregnancy craving
     
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    Vegetarian here, and my other half is Vegan.

    Vegetarian I can offer a great many tips around Stafford, but Vegan wise we found it easier just to cook for the most part - but the Mad Hatters in town were particularly good and bending over backwards for dietary needs.
     
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    i think some of you are misunderstanding me.

    I know what vegetarian is/means, (I'm not totally ignorant) I was asking if the wording had changed, or the terminology on how people refer to it.

    If someone at work asked me for a vegetarian meal I would ask them for clarification by saying "Are you lacto vegetarian or Vegan"

    The meals were labelled that way too. Lacto or vegan.

    But now it appears that if someone is lacto they just say "vegetarian".
     
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    Uhh, i love a good burger, so i'll look out for this one, thanks TCRL.
    @The Market Vaults do a great veggie burger!
    ...you guys ever been tempted to create a vegan special?
     
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    'Vegetarian' is a catch all word that covers many variations of a meat free diet, including veganism, but in common parlance, use on menus etc it almost always means lacto-ovo vegetarian i.e. a diet that excludes meat, but includes milk products & eggs. I don't think that's a new thing - the Vegetarian Society was set up in 1847 to promote a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet, but I imagine if you are handing out meals the company usually will want to be very clear on what someone is getting especially since vegan food usually meets the dietary requirements of various religions whereas a lacto-ovo vegetarian meal doesn't necessarily.
     
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    If someone tells me they're vegetarian, it would also take them to tell me they're lacto, as i wouldn't presume they're anything but a veggie.
    Example, you'll still find in most places; Fish & Chips on a menu with a little (V) by it's side, but a veggie wouldn't eat fish. Very presumptuous of the owners of the menu, i find.

    If someone tells me they're vegan, i'd first give them a high five and then cook them a fantastic meal. Struggle a little to take them for a meal out and about, though. But my list of places to go to when eating out, is growing.*

    *i'm close to be full-blown vegan, just struggling to build my list of places to eat-out, i eat-out a lot! That, as well as reading lots of labels and educating myself and finding out about, what is in my food and drink.
     
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    I don't want to speak on Oli's behalf, but on the basis of what he's said to me in the past & the fact that he has a dead cow hanging above the bar, I don't think that's really the market he's aiming for. That said, I do believe the Morrissey is available in a vegan variation on request.
     
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    If the phone's ringing, pick it up.
    ...that was me trying to sound all business speak-y.

    Customer demand, markets change, slowly but surely, and they can for the better, so we'll see what happens.
     
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    Have I missed something here?
     
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    Don't think so. Nothing you can't live without anyway.
     
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    No, not at all, perhaps you missed post #12?

    My post was more aimed at businesses in general, i should have said, sorry.

    When vegan becomes ever popular and better understood, much like organic, then businesses' tend to see that as a chance of changing their ways, and giving their customers (new and old) what they want, that's all.
    It was never intended in the way perhaps you've taken it, honest.

    See here, as an a example of what i meant;
    http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/food/vegetarian.html#close
    I doubt McDs a few years back, would ever have considered the need to serve veggie burgers. Just moving with the times.
    Granted it's not vegan, but they've started with veggie and if it's called for, perhaps they'll go vegan burgers.
     
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