The future of town centers? - Discussion

tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Malcolm said:
...but they are paid
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I'd argue they are taking real jobs from people that could otherwise be doing them. If there was any chance this 'experience' could lead to a real job I'd feel different but they were clearly told it never could. There was no point making someone with extensive retail experience do what a paid member of staff could.
 
Malcolm

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I see your point. The work experience for others, however will be invaluable in helping them to find work elsewhere hopefully. Either way, it's got to be better than doing nothing at all in the meantime.
 
Glam

Glam

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tek-monkey said:
I'd argue they are taking real jobs from people that could otherwise be doing them. If there was any chance this 'experience' could lead to a real job I'd feel different but they were clearly told it never could. There was no point making someone with extensive retail experience do what a paid member of staff could.
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Like those that occasionally 'work' at Poundland?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Malcolm said:
I see your point. The work experience for others, however will be invaluable in helping them to find work elsewhere hopefully. Either way, it's got to be better than doing nothing at all in the meantime.
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But is it better than someone having a real job? Because while they use such a workforce they don't have to pay real staff, a nice saving to be had.
 
tek-monkey

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I'm just not convinced I'd hire someone after 4 weeks forced labour that I wouldn't have hired without it.
 
Malcolm

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If they're on the dole, they're being paid (the dole). So they can either sit at home outside the workforce, or they can stay engaged. If the company giving them work to do, is not paying them, I guess they are allowed time off for interviews, etc.
Once they find a proper job, they can be off. Makes at least some sense?

I can see that it's taking up a paid job for someone else, and of course the company is taking advantage, but at least the unemployed people working there should be taking advantage of the opportunity they have in the short term.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Malcolm said:
If they're on the dole, they're being paid (the dole). So they can either sit at home outside the workforce, or they can stay engaged. If the company giving them work to do, is not paying them, I guess they are allowed time off for interviews, etc.
Once they find a proper job, they can be off. Makes at least some sense?

I can see that it's taking up a paid job for someone else, and of course the company is taking advantage, but at least the unemployed people working there should be taking advantage of the opportunity they have in the short term.
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I do understand where you're coming from, but in my mates case it was the third scheme of this type he'd been on and none helped. You get a few weeks (4 is normal I think) of being a skivvy then you're replaced with new skivvies, the store gets free staff and you get what? Would you hire someone based on a few weeks forced labour? I wouldn't, it shows no work ethic just that they were afraid of losing benefits. It doesn't show if they had a flair or an aptitude, in fact I'm not even positive they can request references but I'll ask that when I see him next.

While they do this someone else is unemployed because no job exists, why pay when you can get for free? If they were doing a job that is not normally paid for, like I don't know sorting out recycling up at the tip that would otherwise go to landfill I could get behind that. I can't do that when they are able to replace paid staff with free ones though, its causing the reverse of what they make out they are doing.

An old article but a few good points:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/16/work-free-tesco-job-advert

I should add that I hate the lazy, can't stand those who can't be arsed and would rather just claim benefits than actually help themselves, I can't have any respect for them at all. But not every long term unemployed person is like that, some are simply unemployable for one reason or another be it medical, psychological or mental.
 
kyoto49

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Malcolm said:
If they're on the dole, they're being paid (the dole). So they can either sit at home outside the workforce, or they can stay engaged. If the company giving them work to do, is not paying them, I guess they are allowed time off for interviews, etc.
Once they find a proper job, they can be off. Makes at least some sense?

I can see that it's taking up a paid job for someone else, and of course the company is taking advantage, but at least the unemployed people working there should be taking advantage of the opportunity they have in the short term.
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Where does this end though? We could find a situation where companies need staff but rather employ someone they take on someone free who is on the dole, and then that means there are no jobs cos all the companies are using free labour so more poeple on the dole. People on the dole doing volunteer work for work experience should be as an addition to the staff a company needs, not instead of.......... Very hard to police imo.
 
basil

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kyoto49 said:
Where does this end though? We could find a situation where companies need staff but rather employ someone they take on someone free who is on the dole, and then that means there are no jobs cos all the companies are using free labour so more poeple on the dole. People on the dole doing volunteer work for work experience should be as an addition to the staff a company needs, not instead of.......... Very hard to police imo.
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You have clearly visited the future, I would hazard a guess 15-20 years from now.

On your next visit could you possibly aquire a sporting almanac for the years 2017-2020....
 
Really?

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Many moons ago my old boss was told he had to take on YTS. He told every applicant that, if he accepted them, he wasn't prepared to make them work for a year or two and then tell them there was no job. He considered the YTS scheme as nothing more than cheap labour and hated the principle of it. His attitude was that he could tell if they were any good in a month and if he hadn't hired them full time and at a proper wage by then they might as well leave. A great boss who built a fantastic loyal team around him - almost all of them YTS but none of them stayed a YTS longer than two months.
 
Jonah

Jonah

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Once closed it will never reopen and eventually it will be sold because "it's not viable for SCC to pay for its maintenance".
 
BobClay

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Maybe we could replace it with a 1960's style multi-storey concrete car park, like the one in Gateshead that Michael Caine was throwing people off in 'Get Carter.' Of course, that's long gone now, replaced by a Tesco's I believe.

HEY !!! There's an idea .... how about another supermarket ?? :lolsmash:
 
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