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Today I read flyers for both leave and remain that had been put through the office letterbox over the weekend.

I learned* that both sides are full of bullsh!t.






* Well, like most people, I knew that before to be honest.
 
Withnail

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Who are the new jihadis?

At the same time, it is obvious that the radicals’ decision to identify with jihad and to claim affiliation with a radical Islamic group is not merely an opportunistic choice: the reference to Islam makes all the difference between jihad and the other forms of violence that young people indulge in. Pointing out this pervasive culture of violence does not amount to “exonerating” Islam. The fact that these young people choose Islam as a framework for thought and action is fundamental, and it is precisely the Islamisation of radicalism that we must strive to understand.
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That-Crazy-Rat-Lady

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The word Jihad is always used out of context.

Jihad translated means 'To struggle' there are 2 types, lesser and greater:


Greater Jihad is to struggle personally to become a better Muslim - this may include dedicating oneself to prayer or over coming feelings of hurt or anger.

Lesser Jihad is to struggle socially to make the world a better place - this may include helping out in the community or working to over come oppression / inequality.


I believe it is the second - Lesser Jihad - that has been take out of context.

Within Lesser Jihad force is permitted to enable Muslims to defend Islam and also to overcome oppression / persecution.

However the Qur'an lays out a set or rules for war/force which lists what is and isn't permitted - this includes (but isn't inclusive of):

Not killing innocent civilians
It has to be for a just cause
The main aim has to be peace

Although the Qur'an supports war/ use of force there are strict constraints of when and how this should be used.

So in brief Jihad has absolutely nothing to do with ISIS / IS / terror whatever you want to call it.

It is a word that has been taken out of context and batted around by the media - but in truth ( I believe ) is a rather noble concept of becoming personally and socially a better person.

Rant over :)
 
proactive

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That-Crazy-Rat-Lady said:
The word Jihad is always used out of context.

Jihad translated means 'To struggle' there are 2 types, lesser and greater:


Greater Jihad is to struggle personally to become a better Muslim - this may include dedicating oneself to prayer or over coming feelings of hurt or anger.

Lesser Jihad is to struggle socially to make the world a better place - this may include helping out in the community or working to over come oppression / inequality.


I believe it is the second - Lesser Jihad - that has been take out of context.

Within Lesser Jihad force is permitted to enable Muslims to defend Islam and also to overcome oppression / persecution.

However the Qur'an lays out a set or rules for war/force which lists what is and isn't permitted - this includes (but isn't inclusive of):

Not killing innocent civilians
It has to be for a just cause
The main aim has to be peace

Although the Qur'an supports war/ use of force there are strict constraints of when and how this should be used.

So in brief Jihad has absolutely nothing to do with ISIS / IS / terror whatever you want to call it.

It is a word that has been taken out of context and batted around by the media - but in truth ( I believe ) is a rather noble concept of becoming personally and socially a better person.

Rant over :)
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Yes the media could learn that better. As could the radicalised/self-radicalised fcukwits who hide behind it before killing others around the world.

People's idiotic views on the rightiousness of their own brand of religion has caused nothing but trouble throughout the ages.
 
That-Crazy-Rat-Lady

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proactive said:
Yes the media could learn that better. As could the radicalised/self-radicalised fcukwits who hide behind it before killing others around the world.

People's idiotic views on the rightiousness of their own brand of religion has caused nothing but trouble throughout the ages.
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It's not often I defend religion - but (most) religions promote peace and harmony - NOT war and destruction.

As you rightly said - it is the fcukwits - not the religion itself that are to blame.

It's a constant battle with 'the youf' to explain this - they are so influenced by the media (and ignorant parents)
 
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That-Crazy-Rat-Lady said:
The word Jihad is always used out of context.
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I don't claim to be anything of an authority on the ins 'n' outs of any particular religion...

- though having said that, i always enjoy it when people trot out the old 'you don't get Buddhist extremists' line - tell that to my father, who witnessed lines of people being condemned to death in Sri Lanka with the full support of our saffron-robed brethren -

... but i do claim to understand the importance of language.

Much as i'd like to embed the video, you'll have to click the link -

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/four-point-plan-to-defeat-islamist-terrorists/

- and play it yourself.

The first of his points may seem as if it is 'sifting mosquitoes' - thanks Dutch people, much better than 'splitting hairs', i trust you'd agree? - but is, one would argue, far from.

We need a lexicon that is common and clear - in linguistic parlance a form of 'register'.

In this instance, one would argue that the word 'Jihadist' has taken on a meaning outside of its origin, and appears to have been quite widely accepted by those struggling to achieve, linguistically, an accepted lexicon, or register, for those c*nts.
 
John Marwood

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Withnail said:
I don't claim to be anything of an authority on the ins 'n' outs of any particular religion...

- though having said that, i always enjoy it when people trot out the old 'you don't get Buddhist extremists' line - tell that to my father, who witnessed lines of people being condemned to death in Sri Lanka with the full support of our saffron-robed brethren -

... but i do claim to understand the importance of language.

Much as i'd like to embed the video, you'll have to click the link -

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/four-point-plan-to-defeat-islamist-terrorists/

- and play it yourself.

The first of his points may seem as if it is 'sifting mosquitoes' - thanks Dutch people, much better than 'splitting hairs', i trust you'd agree? - but is, one would argue, far from.

We need a lexicon that is common and clear - in linguistic parlance a form of 'register'.

In this instance, one would argue that the word 'Jihadist' has taken on a meaning outside of its origin, and appears to have been quite widely accepted by those struggling to achieve, linguistically, an accepted lexicon, or register, for those c*nts.
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Words get misused then that misuse becomes the word

Homophobia - was a fear of , became a hatred of

Electrocuted - was death by electricity, became severe shock or death by

With an owl - was a person with an owl, became someone lost in the fog , with an owl
 
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Really? said:
In my opinion, the councils decision to encourage out of town centres in an effort to drag people away from the centre so they could make it ..er....more vibrant (?) started the rot.
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This is worth a read - though it is long.

Not particularly directed at you @Really? , despite me 'quoting' you, but more at the ever-growing accumulation of 'aren't the council a bit shit' posts.

At the risk of appearing to be some sort of council 'shill'...

The Strange Death of Municipal England
The later part of the 20th century witnessed the gradual but inexorable encroachment of central government on the autonomy of local government.
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Noah

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The command & control system used by the US to manage their nuclear weapons is currently undergoing an upgrade. Parts of the old system rely on 8" floppy discs. I used to use 5.25" floppies in the 1980s but 8" were regarded as museum pieces then. Will we be safer or under more threat with the upgrade?
 
John Marwood

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Noah said:
The command & control system used by the US to manage their nuclear weapons is currently undergoing an upgrade. Parts of the old system rely on 8" floppy discs. I used to use 5.25" floppies in the 1980s but 8" were regarded as museum pieces then. Will we be safer or under more threat with the upgrade?
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It's about humans
 
Noah

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Today I read that Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov died 19 May 2017. A man to whom we should all be grateful, indeed without Lt. Col. Petrov we probably wouldn't be here today.
 
Gramaisc

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Noah said:
Today I read that Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov died 19 May 2017. A man to whom we should all be grateful, indeed without Lt. Col. Petrov we probably wouldn't be here today.
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Interestingly, according to the ex-Soviets, who might be more inclined to tell the truth, the early 1980s were the most dangerous times. more so than the 1960s Cuban missile crisis times....
 
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Gramaisc said:
Interestingly, according to the ex-Soviets, who might be more inclined to tell the truth, the early 1980s were the most dangerous times. more so than the 1960s Cuban missile crisis times....
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Psyop 81-83 & FleetEx 83 didn't help, neither did the Korean Airlines Flight 007 incident in September 1983, The Soviet EWS malfunction that Petrov ignored in Sept 1983 was probably the closest we have ever come to nuclear war and Able Archer in Nov 83 may also have come close although there is doubt as to the extent of the Soviet reaction. The Norwegian Rocket incident in 1995 was also quit a close run thing, Russian nuclear launch was actually activated but rapidly stood down.

The Doomsday Clock was moved from 6 mins to midnight to 4 minutes in 1981 and to 3 mins in 1984, in 1988 it was moved back to 6 mins. The nearest to midnight was 2 mins from 1953-1960, the Cuban Missile crisis was over so quickly there wasn't time to reset the clock. Currently it is at 2.5 mins.
 
Gramaisc

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There were many "signs" in the early 80s - the Reagan/Thatcher rhetoric suggested that a Western first strike was not impossible - one of the "threat measures" that the Soviets used was counting the windows in the Pentagon that were lit up at night, a change in the cleaning contract resulted in a sudden increase there - at the same time, the UK started a blood donation drive, it all pointed to a potential threat...
 
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