Train fines

markpa12003

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The company that has replaced London Midland have made no improvement to the service. Instead they are hell bent on issuing fines to people that could have brought a ticket at the station (Stafford) but didn't. The people being fined are not train dodgers, they are asking to pay for tickets on train.

£20 fines.

Please be warned.

London Midland used to allow people to buy tickets on train.
 

Wormella

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I think this always depended very much on the individual train person - being a regular commuter I've seen massive inconsistencies in train managers and how they deal with infringements to rules.
 

The Hawk

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The company that has replaced London Midland have made no improvement to the service. Instead they are hell bent on issuing fines to people that could have brought a ticket at the station (Stafford) but didn't. The people being fined are not train dodgers, they are asking to pay for tickets on train.

£20 fines.

Please be warned.

London Midland used to allow people to buy tickets on train.
Technically, they are not fines, they are penalty fares. And all that seems to have happened, is that they have started enforcing rules that have been in force for many years.

Slowly, but surely, penalty fares and automated ticket barriers have been introduced across much of the rail network. So far, Stafford has escaped the automated ticket barriers that have appeared at most Virgin Trains operated stations, but more and more rail companies have introduced, or are introducing, penalty fare schemes.

Fare evasion has reached epidemic proportions across the network. By getting rail users to buy their tickets before boarding the train, it leaves guards/train managers to focus on those determined to avoid paying. Incidentally, the National Conditions of Rail Travel specify that, where there are appropriate facilities to do so, you must buy a ticket before boarding.

As for the company that has replaced London Midland (West Midlands Trains, trading as two separate networks: London Northwestern Railway and West Midlands Railway), well they've only just taken over and significant improvements are on their way, including extra trains to London and more direct trains to Crewe, which should be appearing from December 2018. Also, expect more free wifi and charging points on trains. And they've already introduced compensation for delays of more than 15 minutes.
 

The Hawk

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I think this always depended very much on the individual train person - being a regular commuter I've seen massive inconsistencies in train managers and how they deal with infringements to rules.
Yes, it looks like the new company is going to enforce the rules. Indeed, they may have been directed to do so by the Department for Transport.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Fare evasion has reached epidemic proportions across the network.
Whilst not condoning the people who do this, I can actually understand why people do it.

I priced up two return tickets to Manchester recently, outward to arrive around 5pm and return to leave at 11pm to Midnight. Cost per ticket was £64.00 each. This was a week in advance of when I wanted to travel. The price is utterly ridiculous so it's no surprise people try to travel without paying.

I can drive, park in an expensive NCP car park and return home for about half the price of one return ticket.
 

Gareth

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Agreed I have seen London Midland fine people on the train, it depends on the conductor I guess.

I think this is something they should all be doing because those who get on a train without ticket, you can be damn sure if they are not asked they don't go up to the ticket office the other end to pay.

If you went to stations like Stoke you would not through the barriers without a ticket anyway and I have seen people get stopped at Stafford when the staff are asking to see tickets (by entrance to platforms), seen staff make people buy tickets before being let through, even seen people frog marched to office/ machine which is always funny lol.

Simply......just buy a ticket.

But trains are a rip off, no doubt about that.
 
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Really?

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I'd double the fines and then take them to court to give them a criminal record. These people are no more than shoplifters and deserve all they get. I wouldn't dream of stealing from a shop but the number of people I see giggling about fare evasion on the train from Wolverhampton to Stafford is staggering - and its all types and all ages. As I can buy my tickets in so many ways,(including via my phone while actually on the train if I am running late) there is no excuse for this theft.
 

markpa12003

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I think this always depended very much on the individual train person - being a regular commuter I've seen massive inconsistencies in train managers and how they deal with infringements to rules.

I travel on the train every day to work both Cross Country and london Midland allow / allowed passengers to purchase tickets on the train. Its only the new franchise that are issuing these penalty tickets to passengers. Over the last few weeks there have been regular ticket inspections by 2 or 3 members of staff. It is these individuals that are issuing the penalties.

The people that i have witnessed being fined are not train fare dodgers, they are merely getting on the train expecting to do what theyve always done and that is buy a ticket on the train.

The purpose of my post today was to warn passengers now wanting to travel on the new franchise train to purchase a ticket at the train and not get caught out.
 

Thehooperman

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Whilst not condoning the people who do this, I can actually understand why people do it.

I priced up two return tickets to Manchester recently, outward to arrive around 5pm and return to leave at 11pm to Midnight. Cost per ticket was £64.00 each. This was a week in advance of when I wanted to travel. The price is utterly ridiculous so it's no surprise people try to travel without paying.

I can drive, park in an expensive NCP car park and return home for about half the price of one return ticket.

Not sure which train you were looking to come back on but the last one is 22.07.

In terms of fares you should be able to get Advance singles for c£9.90 and an off peak return is £23.90.Both on Cross-country trains which is the only operator that runs train between Stafford and Manchester unless you change to Virgin or Northern trains at Stoke.
 

Jonah

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I was looking on the Trainline(dot)com and they offered me a train back leaving after midnight. I don’t know who it was with but the price was what I quoted. There were no fares as cheap as you mention.
 

Thehooperman

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I was looking on the Trainline(dot)com and they offered me a train back leaving after midnight. I don’t know who it was with but the price was what I quoted. There were no fares as cheap as you mention.

What day were you looking at?
 

Thehooperman

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It was a Wednesday. I drove.

The train fare for trains about the same time this Weds are £23.40 for an off peak return or £27.10 for an anytime return.

There definitely isn't a train past 22.07 on any night because I often travel Manchester and have to drive or stay over for this reason.

Train line do advertise a train leaving Manchester at 00.35 but it dumps you at Chester at around 01.25 and then the train to Stafford is about 04.30 with f.all open or anywhere to wait.
 

The Hawk

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If you are booking tickets online, don't use the Trainline as they are more expensive than the train companies.

For example, you can book tickets through Transpennine Express for any rail journey in this country (not just the ones they operate) and they don't charge booking fees or postage fees.
 

Thehooperman

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I wouldn't be on a train at that time of day if you paid me. It's peak times isn't it?

The peak fares are worked out on the morning peak as far as I can work out not the evening peak but fair (or is that fare) point on travelling at that time of day. I try to avoid it if possible as well.
 

Gramaisc

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There was a time, before all the improvements, when you could just buy a ticket without checking if somebody was scamming you and that it would be valid on the train you were on..

A few years ago, when I still travelled to Ireland on the train, via the Holyhead ferry, before it all got just too difficult, I was waiting for the train after next in Dublin Heuston - the next train being an express that didn't stop where I wanted to alight. I was chatting to the ticket inspector at the gate and the train was due to leave in a couple of minutes, when he suddenly thrust the punch at me, saying "Clip any tickets, I'll be back in a minute!" and disappeared off into the concourse. He returned about thirty or forty seconds later, running with two small luggage items, followed by a panting businessman-type. The cases went in the end door, followed by the passenger who was told "Buy it on the train, it's the same price." A glance to check that all was well and the whistle was blown and the flag waved - and a passenger went on his way having not "just missed it because he was buying the ticket"...

He had spotted him entering the ticket hall at a rush and had correctly surmised the potential scenario. To my chagrin, nobody else cut it that fine and I never got to punch a ticket.
 

c0tt0nt0p

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People should buy a ticket before they travel....2 years ago whilst commuting to Sandwell for a school holiday I got on the train without getting a ticket (I was still half asleep)....I got a penalty fare and never made the error again....
 
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