Bring Back Capital Punishment!

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Hetairoi

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Do you think we should bring back capital punishment?

Before Basil says anything this isn't to do with being made to go and live in London!

I am undecided on this issue and am interested in seeing what people think.

On one hand I think we need an ultimate penalty so that you know if you go too far you will pay the ultimate price but on the other hand I think it is the sign of a civilised society when we don't go about killing our own people.
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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I not convinced that those involved in the legal system are really capable of determining guilt with sufficient precision to institute such a non-reversible sentence.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Surely the sign of a civilised society is that the members of such don't kill people either?

I am all for the death penalty, but only where it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is both guilty and their actions were deliberate. Which unfortunately boils down to what Gramaisc said.
 
shoes

shoes

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I'm with tek, as long as it's 100% certain then we should hang them, unless they confess in which case they can have the 'easier' injection.

For me it's not about killing one another, once you commit crimes such as rape, murder or be a pedo, then you have surrendered your place in civilised society and should therefore be ejected forcefully from it. I don't see what's civilised about taking my hard earned from me against my will (I begrudge paying income tax because it's not spent where it should be) and using it to support people who have effectively given up their right to exist within civilisation.

I couldn't give a toss about punishment, i do give a toss about resources though. How can it cost more to keep a c**t in prison that I earn a year working pretty much as many hours a day as a c**t spends in the pool room.

EDIT: Perhaps we should have a proportional taxation system - all the soft shites who have voted no - you lot can pay for murderers, nonces and rapists to serve their sentences - I don't want a penny of my tax going towards it unless it's being put towards terminating them.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Just to add I said undecided, as I don't trust the legal system to make the right decisions. I agree with the death penalty though.
 
Withnail

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shoes said:
For me it's not about killing one another, once you commit crimes such as rape, murder or be a pedo, then you have surrendered your place in civilised society.
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For me, once you start killing people for committing such crimes, you have surrendered your right to consider yourself a civilised society.

From a soft shite to a hard one. :)
 
proactive

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Gramaisc said:
I not convinced that those involved in the legal system are really capable of determining guilt with sufficient precision to institute such a non-reversible sentence.
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Totally agree.
 
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Jenksie

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tek-monkey said:
Just to add I said undecided, as I don't trust the legal system to make the right decisions. I agree with the death penalty though.
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Total contradiction here I think. You agree with the death Penalty yet know it to be unenforceable!

Will serious crime reduce?

Will 28% of serious villians and Terrorists start getting their CV's in order and looking for an alternative career?

How can the State say it's wrong to Kill then play God?

Derek Bentley
The Carl Bridgewater case?
Birmingham 6?
Guildford 4?
the Jackson 5?

You just cannot say 'beyond reasonable doubt' for every case when the stakes are a human life.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Jenksie said:
tek-monkey said:
Just to add I said undecided, as I don't trust the legal system to make the right decisions. I agree with the death penalty though.
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Total contradiction here I think. You agree with the death Penalty yet know it to be unenforceable!
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Not sure I get you. I agree entirely with executing people who rightly deserve it, those who not only kill others but also derive pleasure from it, or those that are particularily sadistic. I do not however feel that our legal system is up to it, they cannot be relied on to prove guilt conclusively. Therefore I voted undecided, because I agree with the punishment but can't work out how we can use it.

Jenksie said:
Will serious crime reduce?

Will 28% of serious villians and Terrorists start getting their CV's in order and looking for an alternative career?

How can the State say it's wrong to Kill then play God?

Derek Bentley
The Carl Bridgewater case?
Birmingham 6?
Guildford 4?
the Jackson 5?
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There is no excuse for the Jackson 5!
As for the others, Jim Robinson's son used to live not far from us when we were kids, my sister knew him. I'm fully aware of how badly the justice system can get it wrong, hence me saying I can't agree with the death penalty until we can prove guilt.

Jenksie said:
You just cannot say 'beyond reasonable doubt' for every case when the stakes are a human life.
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I didn't, I said:

tek-monkey said:
I am all for the death penalty, but only where it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is both guilty and their actions were deliberate. Which unfortunately boils down to what Gramaisc said.
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When it can be proven though, fry them. Like that guy in the US, seen by loads of people shooting 6 dead including a 9 year old girl. He was wrestled to the ground there and then, and taken into custody. He can die, I'm fine with that.
 
shoes

shoes

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Jenksie said:
Will serious crime reduce?
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No, I doubt it, but it will be cheaper and quicker to deal with perpetrators - perhaps reinvest the money into education to help prevent crime?

Jenksie said:
How can the State say it's wrong to Kill then play God?
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For me you stop playing god when the person to be condemned has given up their rights as a human and their right to live in society. Do you eat meat? I do, and I regard animals to be better by an infinite factor than pedos, rapists, murderers, terrorists etc., however would happily kill an animal to eat. Therefore, is it really playing god?

I would happily terminate these people by whatever means all day long.

Jenksie said:
You just cannot say 'beyond reasonable doubt' for every case when the stakes are a human life.
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I totally agree;

shoes said:
as long as it's 100% certain
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I appreciate that this will apply to a small fraction of cases, but as Tesco says - every little helps.

I'm all up for terminating repeat offenders too, that pisses me off almost as much as the criminal types listed above. As stated many times i'll help anyone who's prepared to help youself, but if you can't even be bothered to stay out of trouble when i don't see why I should pay to support you, either side of the wall.
 
shoes

shoes

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Gramaisc said:
I not convinced that those involved in the legal system are really capable of determining guilt with sufficient precision to institute such a non-reversible sentence.
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I think I'd sooner be put to death than serve a 'life' sentence in prison. If there was no chance of appeal, that is.
 
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Jenksie

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gk141054 said:
Jenksie said:
the Jackson 5?
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Surely we don't mean capital punishment for crimes against music....?
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There would be a roaring trade in Gallows Builders.

Jackson 5 were quite groovy actually - just a lame joke to lighten a gloomy subject.
 
basil

basil

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Hetairoi said:
Do you think we should bring back capital punishment?

Before Basil says anything this isn't to do with being made to go and live in London!

I am undecided on this issue and am interested in seeing what people think.

On one hand I think we need an ultimate penalty so that you know if you go too far you will pay the ultimate price but on the other hand I think it is the sign of a civilised society when we don't go about killing our own people.
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Not sure people think "ah well if if murder him/her at least i'll live".......
 
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Hetairoi

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basil said:
Hetairoi said:
Do you think we should bring back capital punishment?

Before Basil says anything this isn't to do with being made to go and live in London!

I am undecided on this issue and am interested in seeing what people think.

On one hand I think we need an ultimate penalty so that you know if you go too far you will pay the ultimate price but on the other hand I think it is the sign of a civilised society when we don't go about killing our own people.
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Not sure people think "ah well if if murder him/her at least i'll live".......
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I do think it would deter some people, you wouldn't dream of doing the things on holiday in Dubai that you would do on the Costa del Sol because you know what would happen so it is a deterrant just the same as the death penalty.
 
KencoPlenco

KencoPlenco

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I think they should bring back capital punishment. If you murdered someone, your life should be taken. simple as that.

I also think they should get rid of the ASBO, as its clearly not doing anything really to stop people from what they still doing.

I think they should bring in a new sentence like castration. :lol:
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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Kenco said:
I think they should bring back capital punishment. If you murdered someone, your life should be taken. simple as that.

I also think they should get rid of the ASBO, as its clearly not doing anything really to stop people from what they still doing.

I think they should bring in a new sentence like castration. :lol:
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Interesting article here, claiming, amongst other things, that California has spent $4billion on it's capital punishment system since 1978 and only managed to kill 13 people in the same period...
 
KencoPlenco

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Gramaisc said:
California has spent $4billion on it's capital punishment system since 1978 and only managed to kill 13 people in the same period...
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That's ridiculous $4billion, they should just do a firing squad instead, save money but it will be messy
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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Kenco said:
That's ridiculous $4billion, they should just do a firing squad instead, save money but it will be messy
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I suspect that if they shot most of the lawyers first, then the cost-reduction would be even greater..

Utah does it by firing squad.
 
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