Stafford shops opening - Turning into a boom town?

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
But for how long will all these out-of-town shopping centres ( that's what they are, not "designer villages" ) last for ?
Not so long ago the big supermarkets couldn't build enough out-of-town 'supermarkets' but shoppers want something more local now.
Some of the brands in the designer outlets would not have stores in small towns like Stafford or Cannock or in 'shopping centres' around them. They have them in the outlets because of all the other designer stores which are there which draw people to the places.
 

The Notorious A.N.T.

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My memories of Beatties goes back to my parents shopping there about once a month, and going there and back on the bus puts that to before 1961 when my father got a car.
Yes, Beatties were doing very well twenty years ago but I think taking on a site in central Birmingham about then was the start of their downfall.
At their height they had several stores across the Midlands and even Birkenhead I think.
Correct, Beatties 'foray' into Birmingham was a huge mistake. They moved away from their tried & tested model of having stores in affluent medium to large towns like Aylesbury, Sutton Coldfield & Solihull etc. where there was little to no competition (believe it or not even Wolvo has some very wealthy areas Ha Ha!). After opening in Brum they were going head to head with House of Fraser, Debenhams & Selfridges. The Birmingham store absolutely hemorrhaged cash which dragged the whole group down & forced the eventual sale to House of Fraser.
 

gilbert grape

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I think the whole thread is about evolution, whether it be pubs and bars or the town centre that once had a cattle market in the centre and lots of little local businesses. Right now, we as consumers have probably as much control over what we have in our high streets as we ever have. The fact that technology changes things and most of us can easily shop from our desk or armchair has a big bearing on things. We often look outwards at who is to blame for things changing than inwards and what we can do to change things. Personally I have used local wherever possible, under current circumstances, while also launching my own marketing business where I take a great interest in promoting local businesses.
If everybody did a bit more of this, this thread would be taking a different route. I think people hark back to the past - pubs etc - as we take great comfort in what is or was good. The businesses I work with have all had to diversify and I guess if you can't do that you get left behind.
 

The Notorious A.N.T.

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I think the whole thread is about evolution, whether it be pubs and bars or the town centre that once had a cattle market in the centre and lots of little local businesses. Right now, we as consumers have probably as much control over what we have in our high streets as we ever have. The fact that technology changes things and most of us can easily shop from our desk or armchair has a big bearing on things. We often look outwards at who is to blame for things changing than inwards and what we can do to change things. Personally I have used local wherever possible, under current circumstances, while also launching my own marketing business where I take a great interest in promoting local businesses.
If everybody did a bit more of this, this thread would be taking a different route. I think people hark back to the past - pubs etc - as we take great comfort in what is or was good. The businesses I work with have all had to diversify and I guess if you can't do that you get left behind.
True, that is why the department store is effectively 'dead'. Before you could only buy what they stocked. The Internet has turned your phone/tablet into the world's biggest department store & you don't have to get off your sofa to shop in it!.
 

Carole

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I can understand buying some things off the Internet but I really hate buying clothes online.
I much prefer to see the size and quality and then try it on.
The faff of bagging stuff up to return is so tedious.
My only complaint about the designer village is that there isn't a huge amount for my age group or style apart from Hobbs/Phase Eight. It's all quite youth orientated.

What I'd like to see in Stafford and what I used to go to Birmingham for was a John Lewis, decent dress/clothes shops, lovely shoe shops (there are 2 now at the designer village) a bedding shop such as Bedeck (again that's now in Cannock.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I can understand buying some things off the Internet but I really hate buying clothes online.
I much prefer to see the size and quality and then try it on.
The faff of bagging stuff up to return is so tedious.
My only complaint about the designer village is that there isn't a huge amount for my age group or style apart from Hobbs/Phase Eight. It's all quite youth orientated.

What I'd like to see in Stafford and what I used to go to Birmingham for was a John Lewis, decent dress/clothes shops, lovely shoe shops (there are 2 now at the designer village) a bedding shop such as Bedeck (again that's now in Cannock.
There was a time, and not that long ago, when people actually used to complain about how many shoe shops were cluttering up Stafford...
 

Mudgie

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Some of the brands in the designer outlets would not have stores in small towns like Stafford or Cannock or in 'shopping centres' around them. They have them in the outlets because of all the other designer stores which are there which draw people to the places.
Ah, yes, I think I understand that "all the other designer stores which are there which draw people to the places", a bit like places I know with a few good pubs that draw loads of drinkers in especially at the weekend.
( With apologies for a slight digression from shops )
 

Mudgie

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Correct, Beatties 'foray' into Birmingham was a huge mistake. They moved away from their tried & tested model of having stores in affluent medium to large towns like Aylesbury, Sutton Coldfield & Solihull etc. where there was little to no competition (believe it or not even Wolvo has some very wealthy areas Ha Ha!). After opening in Brum they were going head to head with House of Fraser, Debenhams & Selfridges. The Birmingham store absolutely hemorrhaged cash which dragged the whole group down & forced the eventual sale to House of Fraser.
Thanks. You've very clearly explained what I understood to have happened.
 

Mudgie

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I think the whole thread is about evolution, whether it be pubs and bars or the town centre that once had a cattle market in the centre and lots of little local businesses. Right now, we as consumers have probably as much control over what we have in our high streets as we ever have. The fact that technology changes things and most of us can easily shop from our desk or armchair has a big bearing on things. We often look outwards at who is to blame for things changing than inwards and what we can do to change things. Personally I have used local wherever possible, under current circumstances, while also launching my own marketing business where I take a great interest in promoting local businesses.
If everybody did a bit more of this, this thread would be taking a different route. I think people hark back to the past - pubs etc - as we take great comfort in what is or was good. The businesses I work with have all had to diversify and I guess if you can't do that you get left behind.
Yes, "people hark back to the past - pubs etc - as we take great comfort in what is or was good" but Santayana was right in telling us that "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it",
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" is another good quote for this sunny day.
 

Mudgie

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True, that is why the department store is effectively 'dead'. Before you could only buy what they stocked. The Internet has turned your phone/tablet into the world's biggest department store & you don't have to get off your sofa to shop in it!.
How many departments did Beatties in Wolverhampton have ?
It must have been well over a dozen, each like a proper shop.
 

Mudgie

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I can understand buying some things off the Internet but I really hate buying clothes online.
I much prefer to see the size and quality and then try it on.
The faff of bagging stuff up to return is so tedious.
My only complaint about the designer village is that there isn't a huge amount for my age group or style apart from Hobbs/Phase Eight. It's all quite youth orientated.

What I'd like to see in Stafford and what I used to go to Birmingham for was a John Lewis, decent dress/clothes shops, lovely shoe shops (there are 2 now at the designer village) a bedding shop such as Bedeck (again that's now in Cannock.
My main doubt about a so called "designer village" is what happens when you get thirsty ?
 

The Notorious A.N.T.

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How many departments did Beatties in Wolverhampton have ?
It must have been well over a dozen, each like a proper shop.
Loads - I worked in toys, menswear, china & glass, stationary, mother & baby, lighting, sports & the Christmas department in the 3 and a bit years I worked there. That was part of the problem in the end, each department was run like an individual shop with a Manager & Assistant Manager etc., massively overstaffed (which is not a major problem when you are making millions every year). First thing HoF did when they took over was make mass redundancies. Very sad story, the old General Manager committed suicide he was so distraught at having to put so many people on the dole.
 

PeterD

ST16 Represent.
My main doubt about a so called "designer village" is what happens when you get thirsty ?
They are called designer villages as the outlets lean towards designer brands. They aren’t B and M and Home Bargains. Think more along the lines of Hugo Boss and Paul Smith. That sort of thing. As for being thirsty, my experience of Cheshire Oaks designer outlet is that there are lots of food and drink places. I haven’t been to Cannock yet but my assumption is that there would be at least one place selling food and drink.
 

Mudgie

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Loads - I worked in toys, menswear, china & glass, stationary, mother & baby, lighting, sports & the Christmas department in the 3 and a bit years I worked there. That was part of the problem in the end, each department was run like an individual shop with a Manager & Assistant Manager etc., massively overstaffed (which is not a major problem when you are making millions every year). First thing HoF did when they took over was make mass redundancies. Very sad story, the old General Manager committed suicide he was so distraught at having to put so many people on the dole.
Yes, and i remember the men working the lifts, something you wouldn't have nowadays.
 

The Notorious A.N.T.

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What a lot of people don't realise is that a fair portion of stuff sold at the designer outlets is made for the outlets. It is partly a marketing strategy for the companies to get people wearing their brands. For example, I have got Hugo Boss polo shirts from Terraces & some of the ones you get from the Hugo Boss outlets (for say £50) are inferior quality. One of the newspapers did a story on it a while back. They purchased a load of items from Bicester & then got the equivalent items from John Lewis & HoF etc. In nearly all cases the items from Bicester were of a lesser quality than the department stores. This proved they were manufacturing two grades of a product, one for main retail & a cheaper version for their outlets.
 

Mudgie

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They are called designer villages as the outlets lean towards designer brands. They aren’t B and M and Home Bargains. Think more along the lines of Hugo Boss and Paul Smith. That sort of thing. As for being thirsty, my experience of Cheshire Oaks designer outlet is that there are lots of food and drink places. I haven’t been to Cannock yet but my assumption is that there would be at least one place selling food and drink.
But "at least one place selling food and drink" wouldn't be much good if it was something like a Starbucks.
 
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