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gilbert grape

gilbert grape

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proactive said:
Where is your evidence for what you claim to be the thinking on here?

Your just making this stuff up as you go along.
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Evidence? Like you all believe that masks are the answer, vaccinations do you no harm and anybody with an alternative view is an idiot? Apart from that, there isn't any! To think, I've had a drink with some of you on here, a few know me personally and I still refuse to call any of you names even though we have different views. Defies belief that on virtually every matter, loads of you don;t believe a word from Bozo and his clan but on this you swallow every word. What's so different, coming from people with such self interest, who have lied to us on so many levels and have made vast amounts of money while putting us in danger on more levels than just Covid. 1,000,000 women with over due mamagrams, just to start with, then the rest of the health waiting lists! For what? A virus where some people have treated others while not getting vaccinated or, in some cases, wearing masks?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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gilbert grape said:
Evidence? Like you all believe that masks are the answer, vaccinations do you no harm and anybody with an alternative view is an idiot? Apart from that, there isn't any! To think, I've had a drink with some of you on here, a few know me personally and I still refuse to call any of you names even though we have different views. Defies belief that on virtually every matter, loads of you don;t believe a word from Bozo and his clan but on this you swallow every word. What's so different, coming from people with such self interest, who have lied to us on so many levels and have made vast amounts of money while putting us in danger on more levels than just Covid. 1,000,000 women with over due mamagrams, just to start with, then the rest of the health waiting lists! For what? A virus where some people have treated others while not getting vaccinated or, in some cases, wearing masks?
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Every covid patient 'wastes' the resources of 3 normal hospital patients, those getting ill with covid are stopping routine operations so the best way to improve their chances is to reduce yours of getting ill.
 
The Hawk

The Hawk

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gilbert grape said:
Evidence? Like you all believe that masks are the answer, vaccinations do you no harm and anybody with an alternative view is an idiot? Apart from that, there isn't any! To think, I've had a drink with some of you on here, a few know me personally and I still refuse to call any of you names even though we have different views. Defies belief that on virtually every matter, loads of you don;t believe a word from Bozo and his clan but on this you swallow every word. What's so different, coming from people with such self interest, who have lied to us on so many levels and have made vast amounts of money while putting us in danger on more levels than just Covid. 1,000,000 women with over due mamagrams, just to start with, then the rest of the health waiting lists! For what? A virus where some people have treated others while not getting vaccinated or, in some cases, wearing masks?
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I do not get my "evidence" from the government, that would be madness, instead, as a scientist, I read scientific papers, submitted to recognised scientific bodies, that have also been peer reviewed by fellow scientists.

Masks have been around long before COVID and I, personally, have been using FFP3 masks for over 20 years. Even so I have read up to date, peer reviewed papers on their performance with specific reference to COVID.

Similarly, with the vaccines, I have read a plethora of scientific papers (running into hundreds) on their performance against COVID and its various mutations. Now, here is an admission, whilst most of those papers have been sublitted to the relevant scientific bodies and been subject to peer review, not all of the papers have, at the time I first read them. This is because, in order to stay up to date with the vaccines performance against the latest mutations, it becomes necessary to read draft papers; however, I always go back and check them afterwards, to ensure that their findings have stood up to rigorous reviews.

It would be foolish to claim that vaccines and masks are the complete answer, but they are a substantial part of the answer.
 
SketchyMagpie

SketchyMagpie

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gilbert grape said:
Like you all believe that masks are the answer, vaccinations do you no harm and anybody with an alternative view is an idiot?
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Some things are not a matter of opinion, mate. You say views, I say delusions.

We have tried conversing with you but you simply ignore any information we provide that contradicts what you believe. Not even dispute or critique, *ignore*.

So frankly sod off, this is a pointless exercise for all involved.
 
Raven

Raven

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gilbert grape said:
Evidence? Like you all believe that masks are the answer, vaccinations do you no harm and anybody with an alternative view is an idiot? Apart from that, there isn't any! To think, I've had a drink with some of you on here, a few know me personally and I still refuse to call any of you names even though we have different views. Defies belief that on virtually every matter, loads of you don;t believe a word from Bozo and his clan but on this you swallow every word. What's so different, coming from people with such self interest, who have lied to us on so many levels and have made vast amounts of money while putting us in danger on more levels than just Covid. 1,000,000 women with over due mamagrams, just to start with, then the rest of the health waiting lists! For what? A virus where some people have treated others while not getting vaccinated or, in some cases, wearing masks?
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Wasting your time Gilbert, they have bought into the agenda hook line & sinker and nothing you can say will alter that.
For instance (?) ask any of those about building 7 and (as you know) all you will get is denier this & that, yet anyone with an once of critical thinking would ask “just how was that !”
There is “only” one logical answer that the vast bulk simply want to ignore even though it is staring them in the face.

Lets us take the current drivel that they are all signed up to, hero Z is good and anything further east is bad (real bad, even worse) but a few years ago that was not the case as our Z was exposed for what he is “and” for what Ukraine has been known for for decades (ruled by crooks)






And here from the BBC a good few years back (amazed it has not been deleted) showing his stormtroopers.


 
gilbert grape

gilbert grape

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SketchyMagpie said:
Some things are not a matter of opinion, mate. You say views, I say delusions.

We have tried conversing with you but you simply ignore any information we provide that contradicts what you believe. Not even dispute or critique, *ignore*.

So frankly sod off, this is a pointless exercise for all involved.
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Nasty sort aren’t you. Hope our paths don’t need to cross.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Raven said:
Wasting your time Gilbert, they have bought into the agenda hook line & sinker and nothing you can say will alter that.
For instance (?) ask any of those about building 7 and (as you know) all you will get is denier this & that, yet anyone with an once of critical thinking would ask “just how was that !”
There is “only” one logical answer that the vast bulk simply want to ignore even though it is staring them in the face.

Lets us take the current drivel that they are all signed up to, hero Z is good and anything further east is bad (real bad, even worse) but a few years ago that was not the case as our Z was exposed for what he is “and” for what Ukraine has been known for for decades (ruled by crooks)






And here from the BBC a good few years back (amazed it has not been deleted) showing his stormtroopers.


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Funny, we were yet again having the conversation today about the Trump/Brexit/Covid/Putin connections.
 
proactive

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
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Withnail

Withnail

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gilbert grape said:
What's so different...?
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The entire world recognised a novel virus - the countries of the world responded. It was not led by people like Bozo, the politicians deferred to the scientists.

All of this is old ground - it's almost unbelievable that we should need to go back over this. This is the high ground that we fought over two years ago that we have maintained.

Forgive the battlefield rhetoric, but i think it is justified. We are fighting an information war against YOU.

Yes, YOU and the Russian warship you rode in on.

You are wrong about this and will remain so - i have never made this personal exactly because i have broke bread with you.

Now you have been joined by someone who has broken cover. They claim to know you well...
Raven said:
(as you know)
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... as they spew their spurious nonsense.

Are you happy to be associated with what @Raven has posted above?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Raven said:
Wasting your time Gilbert, they have bought into the agenda hook line & sinker and nothing you can say will alter that.
For instance (?) ask any of those about building 7 and (as you know) all you will get is denier this & that, yet anyone with an once of critical thinking would ask “just how was that !”
There is “only” one logical answer that the vast bulk simply want to ignore even though it is staring them in the face.

Lets us take the current drivel that they are all signed up to, hero Z is good and anything further east is bad (real bad, even worse) but a few years ago that was not the case as our Z was exposed for what he is “and” for what Ukraine has been known for for decades (ruled by crooks)






And here from the BBC a good few years back (amazed it has not been deleted) showing his stormtroopers.


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This has to be the largest whataboutism I've seen on this thread so far, not content to jump between random strands of the same conspiracy you're throwing multiple completely different ones out there to do what exactly? It doesn't detract from the fact that yet again none of you have any evidence whatsoever for what you say, it actually makes you harder to believe in future because you are so desperately trying to deflect attention away from the previous nonsense spouted. All you're doing is reinforcing the idea that the same propaganda lines that are being used to manipulate the one are also used on the others.

Do you have any strong feelings about pizza shop paedos perchance? What about her emails? Did Trump really win? Actually thats a good point, didn't Trump try to blame Ukraine for election interference?

EDIT: It's wiki but it's a good starting point if anyone is interested
en.wikipedia.org

Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal - Wikipedia

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gilbert grape

gilbert grape

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BMJ
That good old right wing source that I’m sure you’ll debunk!
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Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial

Revelations of poor practices at a contract research company helping to carry out Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial raise questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight. Paul D Thacker reports In autumn 2020 Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla, released an open...
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