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tek-monkey
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Yeah, but thats just a completely unavoidable consequence of our world beating response! Now, lets see about removing some benefits to offset it...
SketchyMagpie
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SketchyMagpie
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This thread is worth a read, sad as it is to hear. The effects of long covid on a previously healthy NHS worker.
We're going to be hearing about this sort of thing for a long time, I know a few people who are still suffering years after infection.
We're going to be hearing about this sort of thing for a long time, I know a few people who are still suffering years after infection.
tek-monkey
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Was sat next to someone on Monday who tested positive Tuesday 
gilbert grape
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I was at an event with lots of people who had, had previously had or were supporting people with cancer last weekend and there was an over riding spirit of getting on with life. I think you could count the number of masks on one hand. People want to get on! Many of those people have done their own risk assessments and decided to take their own risks.
The couple one side of me had covid a week before and the friend to my left has tested positive this week. I and he daughter who I was with are still clear. While fortune has one part to play in not catching it, so does boosting your own system and also your T cells being increased to help your own immunity when you have contact with people who have it, so I am informed quite reliably.
The couple one side of me had covid a week before and the friend to my left has tested positive this week. I and he daughter who I was with are still clear. While fortune has one part to play in not catching it, so does boosting your own system and also your T cells being increased to help your own immunity when you have contact with people who have it, so I am informed quite reliably.
Withnail
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Funny you should say that...BMJ
That good old right wing source that I’m sure you’ll debunk!
Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial
Revelations of poor practices at a contract research company helping to carry out Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial raise questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight. Paul D Thacker reports In autumn 2020 Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla, released an open...www.bmj.com
What the heck happened to The BMJ?
Last week, The BMJ published an "exposé" by Paul Thacker alleging patient unblinding, data falsification, and other wrongdoing by a company running three sites for the massive clinical trial of the P
sciencebasedmedicine.org
I don't expect you'll read it, let alone take it on board, but this was debunked some months ago. If nothing else, take this as a tl;dr - marginally questionable, and probably limited, practices at 3 sites administering 1,000 subjects, in the context of hundreds of sites administering tens of thousands of subjects, does not a data integrity issue make.
Careful what you swallow.
gilbert grape
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I lost interest as soon as I read “anti-vaxxers”!!!Funny you should say that...
What the heck happened to The BMJ?
Last week, The BMJ published an "exposé" by Paul Thacker alleging patient unblinding, data falsification, and other wrongdoing by a company running three sites for the massive clinical trial of the Psciencebasedmedicine.org
I don't expect you'll read it, let alone take it on board, but this was debunked some months ago. If nothing else, take this as a tl;dr - marginally questionable, and probably limited, practices at 3 sites administering 1,000 subjects, in the context of hundreds of sites administering tens of thousands of subjects, does not a data integrity issue make.
Careful what you swallow.
We are past that stupidity!!
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Evidently not.
Thehooperman
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Good to see you're taking such a balanced view by reading both sides of the discussion @gilbert grape
tek-monkey
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I was under the impression that T cells learnt from previous infections, not just being in contact with people who were themselves infected, as that would give you a whole chicken/egg scenario of the infection or the T cells to fight that infection coming first. Care to share this quite reliable source?
SketchyMagpie
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Just out of curiosity, did you take on board any of the studies I showed you the other day - including one from the BMJ, which you obviously trust as a source - which overwhelmingly concluded that masks reduce the spread of coronavirus?
If not, please do tell us why.
tek-monkey
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Because they disagree with what he is told from a source he trusts more than scientists, either a youtube channel or a guy in the pub most likely. Don't ever expect a response to a direct questioning of this core belief, at best expect a whataboutism, there is no difference to religion here. Belief without proof, or rather the belief becomes the proof.
As he's going on (I suspect wrongly but happy to be proven wrong) about T cells I do wonder how he'd feel about a T cell based vaccine as that appears to be the next step down that particular avenue.
gilbert grape
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Jesus Christ!!
Remember when we were kids and a gang kept prodding somebody they thought was weaker, and was always wrong, but then turned out to be right?
I guess you lot don’t!!
You won’t believe that either if I don’t post a link!!
Remember when we were kids and a gang kept prodding somebody they thought was weaker, and was always wrong, but then turned out to be right?
I guess you lot don’t!!
You won’t believe that either if I don’t post a link!!
SketchyMagpie
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I've not said a rude to you in this exchange, gg.
You said the evidence for masks reducing transmission was inconclusive and I showed you multiple studies that proved otherwise. If you don't believe them, can you explain why you believe a different article from *exactly* the same source (BMJ) but not that one?
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tek-monkey
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Science requires evidence
Nothing is even considered as correct if not peer reviewed, merely an opinion
You can't peer review without evidence
You ask us to believe but refuse to show proof, when you do show proof you refuse to even read something that refutes that proof. Can you not see the problem here?
How a scientific discussion is meant to go:
I think a thing
Why do you think the thing?
Because of this stuff!
What about this other stuff?
OK, but then there is this stuff here
and so it continues, with each 'side' changing stance as each new thing is learned.
How this is going:
I think a thing
Why do you think the thing?
You're all stupid for not believing the thing!
But you haven't explained the thing, why would we believe?
Here's a different thing, bet you won't believe that either!
Sorry, what does that have to do with the thing?
OK, here's something that vaguely proves the thing
But that has been refuted many time?
FAKE NEWS!
gilbert grape
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An insight into the T Cell info. I also take a combination of nutrients that boost me every day.
www.imperial.ac.uk
T cell immunity: What is it and how does it help to protect us from COVID-19? | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Over the past few months, you’ll have heard a lot about the importance of antibodies and how they can help us to understand our immunity to COVID-19.
tek-monkey
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But none of that says being around people who have covid makes your t cells better, it says they learn from infection. So the only way they'd get better if you're around people is if you yourself contract the virus? It also doesn't explain omnicron hitting so hard but it is nearly 2 years old and we didn't have all the variants back then.An insight into the T Cell info. I also take a combination of nutrients that boost me every day.
T cell immunity: What is it and how does it help to protect us from COVID-19? | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Over the past few months, you’ll have heard a lot about the importance of antibodies and how they can help us to understand our immunity to COVID-19.
SketchyMagpie
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Here's another article from Imperial London College in which they state: "when masks of any kind are worn, they slow the breath’s momentum and filter a portion of the exhaled droplets, in turn reducing the amount of virus in aerosols that can spread through the space."An insight into the T Cell info. I also take a combination of nutrients that boost me every day.
T cell immunity: What is it and how does it help to protect us from COVID-19? | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Over the past few months, you’ll have heard a lot about the importance of antibodies and how they can help us to understand our immunity to COVID-19.
Another source you apparently trust, so is that enough to make you reconsider if perhaps the evidence for masks is not inconclusive after all?
Coronavirus more likely to spread inside through maskless talking than coughing | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Cambridge and Imperial researchers found that coronavirus is more likely to spread through prolonged talking than coughing in badly ventilated spaces.
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gilbert grape
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How many of us have had it without knowing it?
How many of us have the naturally higher immune system that just kicks it out?
How many have had it once and that has given them protection longer than others?
I've seen a lot of information (that I won't be sharing on here) that says our immune systems are weakening each time we take this jab or booster. All of this will take time to evolve. The take up of the next jab will give you an idea how many are now making their own minds up rather than believing every ad campaign.