Clarkson in the Clarts.

Jenksie

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It's Jonathon Ross syndrome.

One of the problems with Clarkson - and there are many - is that he is prey to the delusion that he is an entertainer or a comedian. Like Ross he is neither and my guess is this knarks him.

He is a few things: Journalist, Presenter, author etc and in some of those tasks he is entertaining and some people would argue funny.
He is not like Steve Coogan, Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie, Rowen Atkinson, Paul Merton or even James May et al - none of whom would have so miscalculated the remarks. The personna he projects is that of Clarkson. Arrogant Oafish, opinionated, Right Wing, Anti green, rich friend of the Tories. And no, I'm not a tree hugger I love Motorsport, Motorcycles and Cars.

I watched the clip this morning. There is no balance in the comments.

None.

Tory Party/Daily Mail Stereotype of the strikers and supporters versus selfish pompus ego centric argument for himself.

Some people are murdered for being members of TU'S.

Clarkson has made his millions chiefly from the Public Sector (BBC.)Wonder what his lower paid production staff think of his comments.
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
He should be taken out and shot in front of his family for wearing an 80s wholemeal jacket........
 

shoes

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I love how people get so worked up about what Clarkson says in a country which is supposed to support freedom of speech. Dance puppets!
 

ExiledInStaffers

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What he said regarding people jumping in front of trains was far more offensive then his remarks about the strikes, taking into account the FULL quote of what he said. It was a joke at the BBC more than anything and the context of how it was said is crucial. I paraphrase ..."I support the strikes as the roads were clear as were restaurants, a bit like the 70s and it appeals to me..Oh hold on, we're on the BBC aren't we, so we need to be balanced... so actually I think they should all be shot...."

I have never seen such a load of sensationalist, sanctimonious nonsense in all my life. Some MP on Channel 4 stated that he was glamorising murder and than children would have gone to bed with the image of their parents being shot. A union spokeswoman compared him to Gadaffi. Unisons looked into starting legal proceedings. Despite the fact he was simply using his freedom of expression just like the unions did by downing tools and joining the picket.

Farcical. As a serious aside, this country is going in a troubling direction at the moment with the attacks on the press and freedom of speech being challenged. Some days I really do feel like emigrating.
 

Jenksie

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shoes said:
I love how people get so worked up about what Clarkson says in a country which is supposed to support freedom of speech. Dance puppets!
You are of course absolutely correct.

If highly paid friends of the Tory Party who have made millions from Public Tax's are not allowed to express the perfectly reasonable view that Dinner ladies, Nurses, Doctors, Teachers and Defence workers should be executed in front of their families then what's the world coming too?

It was all probably a joke.

There goes another rib...
 

Gramaisc

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I understand the Mr Clarkson's job description could be paraphrased as something like 'behave like a twat as much as possible'. It seems to entertain a significant following, who, presumably, are paying their licence fees.
 

Jenksie

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Gramaisc said:
I understand the Mr Clarkson's job description could be paraphrased as something like 'behave like a twat as much as possible'. It seems to entertain a significant following, who, presumably, are paying their licence fees.
Almost exactly my point. His world wide jaunts in flash cars, second home on the isle of Man (in a Lighthouse!), Cotswold Manor house, etc have largely been paid for by us licence fee payers leading to the syndication of TopGear.

Where do people get this weird idea of freedom of speech from?

He works for the BBC? He made the Comments on the BBC?

Any one here work a large Organisation/Company? Council, NHS, Police, BBC, School? could you say whatever you wanted at work?
 

andy w

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So many on the left are thin skinned and so easlly wound up by 'shock jocks' like Clarkson. What worries me is there is a number of people in this country who believe their view is the only one that should be adhered to and shout down the non conformists. I considered myself a life long labour supporter until about 5 years when a fascist tendancy came to the fore with the plans for identity cards and the belief that the state is more important than individuals
 

Gramaisc

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Jenksie said:
Gramaisc said:
I understand the Mr Clarkson's job description could be paraphrased as something like 'behave like a twat as much as possible'. It seems to entertain a significant following, who, presumably, are paying their licence fees.
Almost exactly my point. His world wide jaunts in flash cars, second home on the isle of Man (in a Lighthouse!), Cotswold Manor house, etc have largely been paid for by us licence fee payers leading to the syndication of TopGear.

Where do people get this weird idea of freedom of speech from?

He works for the BBC? He made the Comments on the BBC?

Any one here work a large Organisation/Company? Council, NHS, Police, BBC, School? could you say whatever you wanted at work?
Far be it from me to defend him, but it`s his job to say stupid, aggressive things. I do my best to avoid him, but there`s a significant market for it as `entertainment`. Oh, and I haven`t been a licence fee payer since 1983, so I can bask in the warmth of the fact that he probably has very little of my money.
 

shoes

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Jenksie said:
shoes said:
I love how people get so worked up about what Clarkson says in a country which is supposed to support freedom of speech. Dance puppets!
You are of course absolutely correct.

If highly paid friends of the Tory Party who have made millions from Public Tax's are not allowed to express the perfectly reasonable view that Dinner ladies, Nurses, Doctors, Teachers and Defence workers should be executed in front of their families then what's the world coming too?

It was all probably a joke.

There goes another rib...
oh no he's a friend of the tory party ergo he must be bad.

look what labour's friends have done for us..... :rolleyes:

You CHOOSE to pay the tax which funds clarkson. you can also choose to buy his DVDs, his books or papers in which he is a columnist.

I also feel it's worth pointing out that top gear, a brand which would be nothing without him, made the BBC £40m clear profit last year alone. He certainly wasn't paid that.

This smack of 'he's wealthy and I'm not and therefore I should bash him'. If everyone was a clever and keen to take opportunities as him then we would all be in a must more prosperous place.

FWIW I agree with him in principal - the strikes were a disgusting display of how out of touch with the real world jumped up unions and their members are. Executing them is a bit harsh, but to take the comment he made about it seriously would be to show a clear lack of common sense.

Ah it's just clicked.... I now see why the unions are so upset about it.
 

Jenksie

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Gramaisc said:
Jenksie said:
Gramaisc said:
I understand the Mr Clarkson's job description could be paraphrased as something like 'behave like a twat as much as possible'. It seems to entertain a significant following, who, presumably, are paying their licence fees.
Almost exactly my point. His world wide jaunts in flash cars, second home on the isle of Man (in a Lighthouse!), Cotswold Manor house, etc have largely been paid for by us licence fee payers leading to the syndication of TopGear.

Where do people get this weird idea of freedom of speech from?

He works for the BBC? He made the Comments on the BBC?

Any one here work a large Organisation/Company? Council, NHS, Police, BBC, School? could you say whatever you wanted at work?
Far be it from me to defend him, but it`s his job to say stupid, aggressive things. I do my best to avoid him, but there`s a significant market for it as `entertainment`. Oh, and I haven`t been a licence fee payer since 1983, so I can bask in the warmth of the fact that he probably has very little of my money.
I take your point but I bet you will never get a BBC spokesperson articulating your observation.

I can't quite buy the "Old Jezzer - he's the voice of the silent majority" argument these days.

He has lots of previous form after all (just like Ross). He is Remote, detached a bore and a boor.
 

ExiledInStaffers

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What makes America great is the American Dream. People aren't jealous of those who are successful, of the wealthy. The left of this country makes me ashamed to be British.
 

Jenksie

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ExiledInStaffers said:
What makes America great is the American Dream. People aren't jealous of those who are successful, of the wealthy. The left of this country makes me ashamed to be British.
What makes you proud to be British? Apart from Jeremy Clarkson?
 

Withnail

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Celebrated tool, Jeremy Clarkson, well known for talking like a dick, says something dickish
- A nation reels in Shock.

The only truly shocking thing about this story is the scale of the over-reaction to it. Doubt this will ultimately damage the Clarkson 'brand' much, after all he receives quite a handsome wedge from Murdoch and co doesn't he?

I find it very easy to ignore him - in fact i'm going to do it now...
 

ExiledInStaffers

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Jenksie said:
ExiledInStaffers said:
What makes America great is the American Dream. People aren't jealous of those who are successful, of the wealthy. The left of this country makes me ashamed to be British.
What makes you proud to be British? Apart from Jeremy Clarkson?
The Daily Mail.
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
ExiledInStaffers said:
Jenksie said:
ExiledInStaffers said:
What makes America great is the American Dream. People aren't jealous of those who are successful, of the wealthy. The left of this country makes me ashamed to be British.
What makes you proud to be British? Apart from Jeremy Clarkson?
The Daily Mail.
Colmans Mustard.......
 

United57

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In my opinion Clarkson is a buffon and for many of us he is like marmite. You either like him or hate him. The issue I have is when people start to question him or challenge him he gets a bit uppty. He likes to give it out but is not very good at criticism.

Smoker, technophobe, womaniser, public school educated, northern middle class and always believes he is right.

Ideal candidate for the Italian Parliament except that he does not like Johnny foreigner likes there cars
 

Toble

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United57 said:
Smoker, technophobe, womaniser, public school educated, northern middle class and always believes he is right.
One of those is blatantly false, and another uproven.
 

Ecker

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I am more than a little bemused by all this talk of freedom of speech.

What, surely, this slack gobbed fool is guilty of is Incitement to Hatred and perhaps a readiness to believe in his own hype. It matters little that the folk he wants murdered
are trades union members on strike, the important factor is: he wants people killed.
 

ExiledInStaffers

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Ecker said:
I am more than a little bemused by all this talk of freedom of speech.

What, surely, this lack gobbed fool is guilty of is Incitement to Hatred and perhaps a readiness to believe in his own hype. It matters little that the folk he wants murdered
are trades union members on strike, the important factor is: he wants people killed.
It's. A. Joke. In context it's actually at the bbc. Get over yourself.
 
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