Coffee Machines.

Bob

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Could any coffee lovers please help me out with some coffee machine ideas.

I'm after a machine for a christmas pressie for my husband with a budget of about £200 but I don't really know where to start and I don't really understand a lot of the technical blurb on the websites either. We've got a normal filter machine at the mo but I'd like to upgrade to one that has the steam thingy for frothing the milk - I know there a loads out there but i cant work out which one is better or worse in terms of performance, the last time i spent any amount of money of something I wasn't completely sure about (my pc) I ended up with a complete pile of ****!

Thanks!!
 

Wormella

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First up, I'd avoid ones with pods etc (Tassimo, Nespresso) - they take all the fun away and work out far more expensive, as well as limiting your choice - unless you barely ever use it.

In our house is we are pretty serious coffee drinkers (Mr. Wormella = Goldilox works for Starbucks in town) and we're both trained Baristas. We also have His & Hers Espresso Machines:

His:- He Got a Gaggia Cubika as a Christmas Present a few years ago (the older style, much closer to £200 but I think it was ex-display) suffice to say it didn't last long and now gathers dust in the shelf of coffee making paraphernalia - it did make lovely espresso when the planets aligned though.

Hers:- In a Sale in Curry's many moons ago I picked up a Morphy Richards Cafe Merito for £10 - and it's been great - no complaints. Takes up less room then the Cubika and makes a pretty decent espresso, which since I tend to make myself Lattes is all you need.

The irony is, even with his & hers espresso machines we tend to use cafetieres on a daily basis for our coffee needs (and I even slink as low as Starbucks Via if it's just for me)

I'll prod Goldilox in the direction of this thread when I'm home, he knows the ins and outs of machines...
 

shoes

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Ha just looking at the Cubika's description in argoos:

*Anti-drip feature
*Drip tray

Cunning ;)
 

Bob

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i had a tasimo a few years back, it was great if you just wanted 1 coffe but took hours to make 4 or 5

Wormella, whats the deal with the milk frothing nozzle? does it heat the milk of just froth it after you've warmed it in a pan? and is it any good?

I think I spotted the gaggia one earlier, but I didn't spot the morphy richards one, I did have a look at the Delonghi one which I must say is very pretty..... http://www.johnlewis.com/230952922/Product.aspx although like I said I'm reluctant to buy anything that isn't going to do what I want it to, especialy if I only find this out on christmas morning!
 

Goldilox

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Bob said:
Could any coffee lovers please help me out with some coffee machine ideas.

I'm after a machine for a christmas pressie for my husband with a budget of about £200 but I don't really know where to start and I don't really understand a lot of the technical blurb on the websites either. We've got a normal filter machine at the mo but I'd like to upgrade to one that has the steam thingy for frothing the milk - I know there a loads out there but i cant work out which one is better or worse in terms of performance, the last time i spent any amount of money of something I wasn't completely sure about (my pc) I ended up with a complete pile of ****!

Thanks!!
Well it kind of depends what you're using it for. I'd be interesting in finding out what you expect to make (does your husband drink espresso, lattes, cappucinos?) and how often (will it be in use four times a day or just once a week on a Sunday morning?). That will greatly influence what it will be worth you spending. You can spend a lot on a really good machine, that produces world class espresso, but if you only taste it mixed with milk and vanilla syrup you probably won't notice. As Wormella mentioned pod machines are very convenient, but you will pay over the odds for your coffee, and you'll only ever be able to use the blends that the proprietary brand whose machine you buy decides to market.

Right here's some stuff to help you decipher the blurb....

Look for the words 'pump' or 'pump-driven'. If it isn't pump driven then it will be running purely on the pressure of the steam in the boiler like a stove-top espresso maker and will probably produce watery, scorched tasting coffee. Pressure is measured in bar. Generally speaking: higher pressure=better.

There will also be a wattage rating. As a rule of thumb the higher the wattage, the quicker the machine will warm up and the more coffee you'll be able to make before you need to give it a rest to reheat. A higher wattage also means the machine will be using more electricity, but unless you're leaving it on all day that shouldn't be too dramatic an issue.

Much will be made of the water capacity. The larger the water capacity is, the less often you'll have to stop and refill the machine. If you're using it once a week this will just be a tank of stagnant water for you to throw away and clean before you can use the machine again. Unless you're making coffee for 15 people at a time, I probably wouldn't worry too much about it.

I'd urge you to invest in a water filter (the jug kind is fine) as espresso machines are notoriously hard to descale and Stafford water is notoriously hard.

I'd also throw some money at a grinder over and above anything else. Coffee keeps so much better as beans and whatever method of brewing you use you'll notice a really dramatic difference in flavour if you grind it yourself at home rather than buying ready-ground. IMHO a cafetiere made with freshly ground coffee is just about the best flavour you'll get making coffee at home.

Stafford coffee roaster HasBean has a good site with lots of information and will put you on the right lines and sell you some excellent coffee...

Coffee Geek is the place to go for machine reviews and pretty much everything else you'd ever want to know on the subject (& plenty you didn't really want to know). Be aware, however, they do tend to forget to take the price into account on some of the reviews....

I hope some of that's useful feel free to ask me anything else via this thread or PM...
 

Goldilox

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Bob said:
Wormella, whats the deal with the milk frothing nozzle? does it heat the milk of just froth it after you've warmed it in a pan? and is it any good?
The steam wand heats and froths the milk by passing high pressure steam through it. You shouldn't need to warm the milk first, in fact fridge cold milk will usually foam better.

"Frothing nozzle" on a domestic machine usually means a little bit of plastic on the end of the steam wand that makes it produce more foam. I don't really like them as you just end up with an overflowing jug of bath foam (big bubbles in your cappuccino are not all that desirable) before the milk is anywhere near warm enough. But I wouldn't be put off by one as they are always removable.

Bob said:
it was great if you just wanted 1 coffe but took hours to make 4 or 5
That's always going to be an issue with espresso machines (even the ones I use at work) but some will be better than others.
 

Bob

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My husband loves espressos, and lattes and it'd be used every morining - is it something thats going to need more money chucking at it to get something thats going to do what we want it too?

With regards to the steam wand/frothing nozzle - is this the same thing thats on the machines you see at starbucks - and what do you mean by taking it off? the whole thing or just the bit of plastic that covers it?
 

Pie & Ale

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Goldilox said:
Bob said:
Could any coffee lovers please help me out with some coffee machine ideas.

I'm after a machine for a christmas pressie for my husband with a budget of about £200 but I don't really know where to start and I don't really understand a lot of the technical blurb on the websites either. We've got a normal filter machine at the mo but I'd like to upgrade to one that has the steam thingy for frothing the milk - I know there a loads out there but i cant work out which one is better or worse in terms of performance, the last time i spent any amount of money of something I wasn't completely sure about (my pc) I ended up with a complete pile of ****!

Thanks!!
Well it kind of depends what you're using it for. I'd be interesting in finding out what you expect to make (does your husband drink espresso, lattes, cappucinos?) and how often (will it be in use four times a day or just once a week on a Sunday morning?). That will greatly influence what it will be worth you spending. You can spend a lot on a really good machine, that produces world class espresso, but if you only taste it mixed with milk and vanilla syrup you probably won't notice. As Wormella mentioned pod machines are very convenient, but you will pay over the odds for your coffee, and you'll only ever be able to use the blends that the proprietary brand whose machine you buy decides to market.

Right here's some stuff to help you decipher the blurb....

Look for the words 'pump' or 'pump-driven'. If it isn't pump driven then it will be running purely on the pressure of the steam in the boiler like a stove-top espresso maker and will probably produce watery, scorched tasting coffee. Pressure is measured in bar. Generally speaking: higher pressure=better.

There will also be a wattage rating. As a rule of thumb the higher the wattage, the quicker the machine will warm up and the more coffee you'll be able to make before you need to give it a rest to reheat. A higher wattage also means the machine will be using more electricity, but unless you're leaving it on all day that shouldn't be too dramatic an issue.

Much will be made of the water capacity. The larger the water capacity is, the less often you'll have to stop and refill the machine. If you're using it once a week this will just be a tank of stagnant water for you to throw away and clean before you can use the machine again. Unless you're making coffee for 15 people at a time, I probably wouldn't worry too much about it.

I'd urge you to invest in a water filter (the jug kind is fine) as espresso machines are notoriously hard to descale and Stafford water is notoriously hard.

I'd also throw some money at a grinder over and above anything else. Coffee keeps so much better as beans and whatever method of brewing you use you'll notice a really dramatic difference in flavour if you grind it yourself at home rather than buying ready-ground. IMHO a cafetiere made with freshly ground coffee is just about the best flavour you'll get making coffee at home.

Stafford coffee roaster HasBean has a good site with lots of information and will put you on the right lines and sell you some excellent coffee...

Coffee Geek is the place to go for machine reviews and pretty much everything else you'd ever want to know on the subject (& plenty you didn't really want to know). Be aware, however, they do tend to forget to take the price into account on some of the reviews....

I hope some of that's useful feel free to ask me anything else via this thread or PM...
Well, I wouldn't have expected anything shorter than this from you! Still, my coffee is better than yours :P
 

Goldilox

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The steam wand doesn't come off, but a plastic 'frothing nozzle' usually will... and in my experience the steam wand will work better without it. The commercial machines in Starbucks, or anywhere else, all use a steam wand to heat milk for lattes and cappuccinos (but come without the horrible plastic attachments! You can regulate the amount of foam according to how far below the surface of the milk you place the wand).

I'd have thought for what you describe the budget you suggest is pretty much right as a starter machine. If you find yourself needing more you can always buy a better one in a year or two. The quality of £40-£60 machines has greatly improved in recent years but the espresso still tastes inferior to me. You probably wouldn't notice that if you only drink lattes though, which is why I asked.
 

Goldilox

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Pie & Ale said:
Well, I wouldn't have expected anything shorter than this from you! Still, my coffee is better than yours :P
That's rather uncalled for...I'm only trying to help.
 

Jade-clothing

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I agree about the pod machines - I used to have a Dolce Gusto - coffee wasnt bad but the pods work out really expensive. May as well buy 3 take out coffees every day - oh we already do that!
Extremely informative and interesting Goldilox. I've always wanted a really good coffee machine, but worry i would drink even more than I do already.
By the way Goldilox and PandA - if you need a ref to decide who makes the best coffee I'm the person - I've been joking for years I should write a book entitled 'Cappuccinos around the uk'. I'm very fussy about my froth and IMHO Kerry in Costa makes the best cappos (although costa isnt my fav coffee shop) :)
 

United57

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We have a gaggia. Makes an excellent espresso but I initially used water from the tap. Took ages to descale. Now I use filtered water. I also poor away the water after use.

I like cafe nero coffee.
 

Jade-clothing

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United57 said:
We have a gaggia. Makes an excellent espresso but I initially used water from the tap. Took ages to descale. Now I use filtered water. I also poor away the water after use.

I like cafe nero coffee.
I used to use Caffe nero all the time but I never go in now as they don't clean up often enough.
 

Bob

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I know what you mean, Nero always seems to have a bit of a grubby feel to it
 

djstaffs

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I am no coffee expert which is why i am so happy with my little HADEN coffee maker bought for £4 at a car boot sale. But good thread. Had always struggled with the milk frother wand thingy (which was the real reason we bought the machine as our little girl loves satrbucks frothy milk) so when get home gonna try take the plastic thing off.

PS Goldilox-can you hold weddings at starbucks as the aforementioned 4yr old has already decided thats where she wants to have her wedding (me thinks i take her to coffee shops more than toddler groups etc lol)

PPS if you do she wants you to serve parsnips
 

Bob

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I took at look at the which guide and decided to go with the Delonghi http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/delonghi-icona-eco310-0b-coffee-maker-black-02904386-pdt.html and I've got to say it's a great little thing, Gave it to hubby as an early christmas pressie (may as well get the use out of it) and it makes a lovely cuppa - and a hot baileys latte!
 

basil

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I have a stove-top contraption from ikea, cost a couple of £ only useful for esspresso.......
 
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