Mudgie
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What are you worried that "the far left" might do ?No, but the far left haven't disappeared. They've just kept quiet.
Get over it...At least I didn't believe all the
said by Ingram and Labour.
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Mudgie
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The Greens are the party I most agree with but I voted Labour to get the Tories out.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Where I am, the Greens are in the current governing coalition, as they have been before.
They may get a bit of a hammering in the general election next year, as a result, though. Like the Clegg-era Lib Dems, they get tainted by their associations and compromises.
But, they will be back and they can actually get elected into parliament and government, which seems somewhat unlikely in the UK system.
The Greens here tend to have a more urban than rural base, but that can lead them to propose stuff that is perceived as anti-motorist, dropping their urban support. You will hear anti-Green stuff in the sticks, but it is rarely from anybody who would ever consider voting for them anyway.
Being a Green in the UK doesn't really leave you open to accusations based on any actual actions. They seem to have hoovered up the 'not Starmer' vote from the leftish end.
Having said that, the Green candidate actually came sixth in the last general election for my (fairly rural) constituency here, just missing out, with five members elected to serve, so it could be possible, though she was a good way behind fifth. She did, however, receive transfers in the STV system that more than doubled her vote, when a straight FTP vote would have place her ninth, out of the fifteen candidates standing.
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tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
I haven't listened to anything said by either, not a fan at all of Starmer, but there is a really important distinction to be made about Labour - they aren't tories. I'm under no illusions, I don't expect them to even reverse the last decade in their first term in power let alone improve on it, what matters is that there is a clean sweep of who is in control and new voices take over because the last ones have consistently proven they weren't capable. Who ever thought we'd look back on Cameron as the good times!No, but the far left haven't disappeared. They've just kept quiet.
Get over it...
arthur
Nixon Garden Neatness
It's going to be very hard to repair the damage done by the tories. Their priority is to learn how to budget - i always think of the film DAVE when i hear politicians say - we are gong to increase spending on this that and the other.
How are they going to find the money to increase spending? The money has got to come from somewhere and it all starts with an income and expenditure sheet and seeing where money can be saved to put it towards the priority outgoings.
How are they going to find the money to increase spending? The money has got to come from somewhere and it all starts with an income and expenditure sheet and seeing where money can be saved to put it towards the priority outgoings.
No, but the far left haven't disappeared. They've just kept quiet.
Get over it...
The fact that the Tories couldn't keep extreme elements within their own party quiet does not necessarily mean that the same will be true of Labour. Blair & Brown managed 13 years without losing control of the party. There's every chance Starmer, Reeves et all could do the same.
The United Kingdom tends to favour a regulated free market, supported by a state which will look after us when we need it (i.e. public health & social care, welfare), and has a history of being somewhat socially progressive. This is centrist politics. Those on the far right and far left, or those who are extremely progressive or extremely conservative shouldn't be feared. They're typically a powerless minority. We, as a country, need to stop handing them power for fear of the "other".
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Roadrunner64
A few posts under my belt
Are you in Offaly or Laois as I think you are referring to Pippa Hackett?
Reform were only around 364,474 votes short from becoming the official opposition. If labour are seen by the voters as not delivering on their priorities reform could win many more seats at the next election.For anyone concerned by Reform’s vote share by the way…
It’s not gone up by much, it just transferred from UKIP. There is no surge.
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tek-monkey
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PeterD
ST16 Represent.
Then the voters are idiots. The Labour policies are not Reform UKs policies, so labour didn’t do all of that stuff that they said they would so I will vote instead for a very right wing party. There is not enough drugs in this world that would see me change my vote to them. The natural route for those that feel Labour didn’t deliver would be Greens or Lib Dems. But we are less than 72 hours into their tenure.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
I can't think what reform policies would look appealing to labour voters?
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Remove the last three words and then your sentence is correct.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
A lot of historical labour voters have immigration/race concerns.
"They are given an iPhone and a car, take all the houses and then take our jobs", apparently.
If they really do start to delve into the corruption of the last decade - and deal with it effectively, they could retrieve a bit of the anti-foreigner bias, if it's shown where the missing money and resources really went.
However, I remember being told during the "expenses scandal" - "Good luck to 'em - I would do it, if I thought I'd get away with it!"
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
After seeing how hard it's proving for my immigrant wife to find work, and talking to many others in the same boat, I'd say that post Brexit that if someone without a blue passport takes your job you were probably crap at it.
Of course there is a large number of people who think all immigrants are the same as asylum seekers, often the same people that dream of retiring to benidorm
Edit: one thing that really amused me about Brexit was that a clear result from it is massively increased immigration from Africa, way more than ever came from Europe, to fill the jobs Brits don't want to do.
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Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
I know someone, who was a magistrate, who thinks the Romanians/Bulgarians that emerge from the bus at Tesco are asylum seekers.
I know someone who comes back from Spain, to use the NHS, and complains about the number of immigrants treating him.
I know someone, from Stafford, living in New Zealand, who complains about immigrants there...
Etc.
Mudgie
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Life'd be much better if you didn't know anyone !
