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Group want to make Shirehall into arts and museum hub
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Feed The Goat
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"we will appoint an independent expert to look closely at these ideas and others, to examine their feasibility and financial viability"
translated, this means when the independent expert comes in with a really, really unpopular idea for the building Mr Winnington and SCC can claim immunity.
Feed The Goat
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I want six weatherspoons.
The old cinema + the older cinema*
The old library + the older library
The old post office
The old branch of poundstretcher*
*Some branches may already be trading.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Yay, Stafford could become the new Rugeley.
Wormella
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I visited Margate yesterday, as you do, and they'd built an incredible indoor market street in a building similar to the Carnigie Library - which I think would work for the Shire hall too - https://www.theoldkentmarket.com/
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Has it been there long? Perhaps that was what several people shouted at me last time I was down in that area? I couldn't quite make it out from the accent.
Wormella
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Didn't seem to be, they were still building units upstairs.
HopesDad
Don't feed the troll
So after months of deliberations and delay, the Prince’s Regeneration Trust, the independent experts paid by the Council to advise on the future of the Shire Hall, say that any of the proposals would be fine, and are advising the Council to appoint independent experts to decide.
So the Council that we elect to work on our behalf offload the job onto independent experts who then offload the job on to more independent experts. Are we to be told how much all these independent experts are costing, and how long that money could have kept the Shire Hall open for?
So the Council that we elect to work on our behalf offload the job onto independent experts who then offload the job on to more independent experts. Are we to be told how much all these independent experts are costing, and how long that money could have kept the Shire Hall open for?
Wormella
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The PRT report is here - https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/bu...n/71030-ShireHallRouteMap-FINALversion2-e.pdf
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Why not, they probably have...
Not sure what you are getting at, what is wrong with that
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
I would suggest that the honourable member is somewhat disappointed that public money has been handed to "experts" who have suggested that an art gallery, closed for lack of funds, might be reopened as an art gallery,
Just a guess...
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
That is deserving of this...
Yep, but it wasn't closed for lack of funds. It was closed because the man who made the decision, doesn't understand what the arts are about so therefore thinks no one needs them.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
I was trying to make it sound technical.
The shirehall was closed because it was not viable as it is was as a MIXED venue:
Part gallery
Part shop
Part library
Part sensory
Part cafe
Part Wolverhampton uni.
Confusing mixed models are hard to work. With customers/ visitors to the venue almost halved the site was no longer viable for a council and could not ( and should not) be propped up by public funds.
So who is to say that a private entity could not make a success for an outright gallery and arts venue.
Why should that not be on the table? In fact it is a great option and would be outright dumb to exclude anything that could get the shirehall back up and use.
Part gallery
Part shop
Part library
Part sensory
Part cafe
Part Wolverhampton uni.
Confusing mixed models are hard to work. With customers/ visitors to the venue almost halved the site was no longer viable for a council and could not ( and should not) be propped up by public funds.
So who is to say that a private entity could not make a success for an outright gallery and arts venue.
Why should that not be on the table? In fact it is a great option and would be outright dumb to exclude anything that could get the shirehall back up and use.
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
You really don't get what I meant do you?
It WAS an art gallery and then SCC commission, at great expense, an outside contractor to produce a report and they suggest it could be an art gallery. I could have told them that.
As for being viable. The Shire Hall Gallery and Craft Shop covered their running costs and made a profit every year.
It was closed because the man at the top doesn't understand the arts and shut it because he thinks no one else needed it.
You clearly do not get it. I doubt you would have written such a report
for a start it clearly made a significant loss (over £100,000 in one of the most recent years), the gallery part was rubbish, visitors were plummeting the the hall rarely had anything new and was poorly managed.
The council have to do their due diligence and also have to consult with the public on a final proposal of use.
The council cannot simply to decide to do want they want on such buildings and unfortunately (and annoyingly) but rightly have to go through due process, hopefully they have learnt to do things right after the Records Office fiasco a couple of years ago especially if they want to apply for heritage funding.
What is repeated or what we already know in the report is neither here nor there ( we know the green is in a poor state).
Otherwise be clearly whether tou are mocking the idea/s proposed or the money it costing etc etc etc
for a start it clearly made a significant loss (over £100,000 in one of the most recent years), the gallery part was rubbish, visitors were plummeting the the hall rarely had anything new and was poorly managed.
The council have to do their due diligence and also have to consult with the public on a final proposal of use.
The council cannot simply to decide to do want they want on such buildings and unfortunately (and annoyingly) but rightly have to go through due process, hopefully they have learnt to do things right after the Records Office fiasco a couple of years ago especially if they want to apply for heritage funding.
What is repeated or what we already know in the report is neither here nor there ( we know the green is in a poor state).
Otherwise be clearly whether tou are mocking the idea/s proposed or the money it costing etc etc etc