Guildhall closure?

Wormella

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I do think it's a great place for flats - but I'm super keen on there being more town center properties for a bigger range of people to live
 

kyoto49

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The issue with trains is the cost.

If there's 2 people going Stafford to Liverpool tomorrow, that's £50+ in tickets (£100+ on the peak services). It's much better to drive!

Did someone mention the Guildhall?
I think it just takes a bit of know how. Daughter regularly gets tickets for less than £15 return on the virgin (as was) so long as you book in advance. Having been stuck on the infernal M6 for hours on four consecutive trips to Liverpool when she moved house and I was ferrying her stuff back in the summer there is no way my sanity would consider driving over the train a viable option no matter the cost just for a day out!

Edit, I fear this reads that I drive over the train literally, but my English isn't good enough to reconstruct the sentence, sorry!
 

Thehooperman

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Clean air charge for my car - £0.00
Parking right in the Bullring - I usually end up paying £10-£12.
Diesel - 1.5 gallons - round it up to £10.00
Total - £22.00

Going via train
Bus into town - last time I used the bus it was £2.40 one way for one person. So two people, two ways = £9.60
The last time I used a taxi I think it cost me nearly £7 to get from the station to Baswich - £14
Train - going by what people have said above - anywhere from £12.50 each - £25.00 to £20.00 each - £40.00
Total £34.60 or £49.60 using the bus or £39.00 or £54.00 using a taxi.
How much do you value the 3 hours each way sitting on the M6?
 

kyoto49

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How much do you value the 3 hours each way sitting on the M6?
You haven't included wear and tear and the cost of the car, depreciation, tax, insurance etc etc. Or the hours spent stuck in traffic! You might not get charged for the clean air but be sure your diesal glugger will be causing harm to other humans. It's what cars do, provide benefit for the user and cost to the non users, they are a selfish form of transport. No one is arguing that they aren't a necessary evil in some situations, but for shopping trips from Stafford to major centres close by they're not!
 

PeterD

ST16 Represent.
For balance I could get a day return today for Birmingham New Street. 12.40. The car, that would be far in excess of that. If I fancied a drink in the German market I couldn't. Swings and roundabouts. With the apparent closure of the guildhall, shopping further afield may become the norm. A train would be the better option particularly as there are a large number of road closures and diversions in Birmingham. So where a car might suit some, if a train can do it, I will catch one.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Now that I don't use the train I'm going everywhere by car. That means up to Liverpool at least once a week, down to central London a couple of times a month and the occasional jaunt into Brum, as well as all the usual stuff. I can assure you that I am totally unconcerned with the environmental damage I am causing at point of use.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
How much do you value the 3 hours each way sitting on the M6?
I have never been stopped on the M6 for 3 hours each way. Last time I travelled to Birmingham (which was this week), I was parked in the Bullring car park 47 minutes after I left home. I left home at 8.45am.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
You haven't included wear and tear and the cost of the car, depreciation, tax, insurance etc etc. Or the hours spent stuck in traffic! You might not get charged for the clean air but be sure your diesal glugger will be causing harm to other humans. It's what cars do, provide benefit for the user and cost to the non users, they are a selfish form of transport. No one is arguing that they aren't a necessary evil in some situations, but for shopping trips from Stafford to major centres close by they're not!


That’s your opinion. I couldn’t live my life without a car. If you can life without one, that’s great for you.
 

littleme

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Well the carer did his train trip to Manchester today..... And was reminded of how much he hates trains, easier to drive and pay the extra for petrol & parking than be stuck in a metal tube with the great unwashed......
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
You haven't included wear and tear and the cost of the car, depreciation, tax, insurance etc etc. Or the hours spent stuck in traffic! You might not get charged for the clean air but be sure your diesal glugger will be causing harm to other humans. It's what cars do, provide benefit for the user and cost to the non users, they are a selfish form of transport. No one is arguing that they aren't a necessary evil in some situations, but for shopping trips from Stafford to major centres close by they're not!
Just one more thing about you saying I cause harm to others. There is no doubt that cars do pollute, but by far the biggest cause of pollution is big industry. The PR machine of industry have done a fantastic job of pushing the blame away from them, onto me and you. Industry contribute far, far more to pollution than me or you and always will. We should be pressuring them to do everything they can to pollute less - instead they have us blaming each other.
 

kyoto49

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Just one more thing about you saying I cause harm to others. There is no doubt that cars do pollute, but by far the biggest cause of pollution is big industry. The PR machine of industry have done a fantastic job of pushing the blame away from them, onto me and you. Industry contribute far, far more to pollution than me or you and always will. We should be pressuring them to do everything they can to pollute less - instead they have us blaming each other.
Well we agree on that for sure!
 

Noah

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nine pints of Mild and get a penny change out of a pound.
That's about 2/2d a pint isn't it? I can remember the uproar when the price of bitter increased from 1/1d to 1/3d a pint.

Must admit with railcards, and for longer journeys pre-booking railway fares can be quite reasonable as far as I am concerned. Buses are cheaper, but a piss awful form of transport.
 

Mudgie

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That's about 2/2d a pint isn't it? I can remember the uproar when the price of bitter increased from 1/1d to 1/3d a pint.

Must admit with railcards, and for longer journeys pre-booking railway fares can be quite reasonable as far as I am concerned. Buses are cheaper, but a piss awful form of transport.
I've not used National Express sine a truly "piss awful" journey to Southampton 1n 1974 but out of curiosity I looked at their four services from Stafford and averaging 40mph is far from "Express" and the prices didn't look much, if any, cheaper than train.
 

Trumpet

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I've not used National Express sine a truly "piss awful" journey to Southampton 1n 1974 but out of curiosity I looked at their four services from Stafford and averaging 40mph is far from "Express" and the prices didn't look much, if any, cheaper than train.
Reckon 40mph is a pretty good average for a coach.
 
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