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What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.gk141054 said:it should be the law that they should be carried at all times.....
Hi Markbin,Markbin said:tek-monkey
"Do you drive? Cos thats an ID card right there."
Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.
The government is saying that I don't have a choice on ID cards. I'm saying that is unacceptable. If you're happy to go along with it, that's your business. But don't force other people to do something they don't want to do. Besides, I've yet to hear a compelling argument in favour of ID cards.
My logic is fallible but I put it that way to express how far I'm prepared to go to resist ID cards. This policy will cause more civil disobedience than the poll tax.
If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....Gramaisc said:What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.
I was under the impression that all paper licenses will be replaced with photocards upon any changes made (points, address etc.), is this not correct? If so, you are being forced surely?Markbin said:Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.
My old green driving licence is untouched since 1982, but I suppose they'll catch up with me one day. It's beginning to fade a bit now.tek-monkey said:I was under the impression that all paper licenses will be replaced with photocards upon any changes made (points, address etc.), is this not correct? If so, you are being forced surely?Markbin said:Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.
I am actually against ID cards anyway, but need one to drive.
Sheerness apparently. I suspect that it happens fairly late at night and they might not be worth the drive down.gk141054 said:If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....Gramaisc said:What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.
If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when
Well no. If I don't drive I'm not forced to possess a driving licence.tek-monkey said:I was under the impression that all paper licenses will be replaced with photocards upon any changes made (points, address etc.), is this not correct? If so, you are being forced surely?
I am actually against ID cards anyway, but need one to drive.
Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...gk141054 said:If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....Gramaisc said:What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.
If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when
I took someone's cats to be chipped once and they were scanned a couple of weeks later when they were having some more jabs, just to make sure the chips were working. The vet said that it was not unheard of to find an animal with two chips in and he had once found three in the same dog. Few systems are foolproof.Lunar Scorpion said:Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...gk141054 said:If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....Gramaisc said:What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.
If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when
In case you hadn't realised, I was being sarcastic.Gramaisc said:I took someone's cats to be chipped once and they were scanned a couple of weeks later when they were have some more jabs, just to make sure the chips were working. The vet said that it was not unheard of to find an animal with two chips in and he had once found three in the same dog. Few systems are foolproof.Lunar Scorpion said:Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...gk141054 said:If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....
If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when
I did spot it. I thought that I would just reinforce your justifiable scepticism.Lunar Scorpion said:In case you hadn't realised, I was being sarcastic.Gramaisc said:I took someone's cats to be chipped once and they were scanned a couple of weeks later when they were have some more jabs, just to make sure the chips were working. The vet said that it was not unheard of to find an animal with two chips in and he had once found three in the same dog. Few systems are foolproof.Lunar Scorpion said:Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...
Well, if we're both against ID cards, there's not much to debate. But I will indulge you anyway. The idea of the driving licence is to prove that you're qualified to operate a lethal machine and it incorporates a system whereby if you demonstrate dangerous behaviour society has a way to stop you. I don't see anything unreasonable in that.tek-monkey said:But therefore you are being forced not to drive?
As for the cards, like I said I'm against them in most cases. I do however think they may possibly help with benefit fraud, so probably wouldn't care if people on benefits had them.
Doesn't work though does it, how many people every year get done for driving without a license? And what do they do? Ban them! Yeah, cos that will really stop them.Markbin said:Well, if we're both against ID cards, there's not much to debate. But I will indulge you anyway. The idea of the driving licence is to prove that you're qualified to operate a lethal machine and it incorporates a system whereby if you demonstrate dangerous behaviour society has a way to stop you. I don't see anything unreasonable in that.
ID cards are like CCTV, they can't cut crime. All they can do is help work out who did what, and get them caught. That may sway a few into not doing something in case they get caught, but most it wont. Loads of countries still use them though, a quick wiki shows a fair few.Markbin said:As for having to possess a card with my DNA, political views, religious beliefts etc on just for being alive, I see that as a State control too far. I wonder if benefit fraud costs more than the ID card system.
Finally, my wife, who's Chinese, has an ID card. It doesn't bother her. But I can tell you crime in China is as bad as anywhere. ID cards haven't stopped it. But Britain is copying a one-party authoritarian state.