Recycling changes...

[Jonah]

I went to pay for the brown bin last week (I've been tight and not wanted to pay) but again I didn't.
Why?
Because the payment covers from January 1st to December 31st each year and NOT for 12 months from when you first pay. I shall wait until the 1st of January now.

 

[Mudgie]

I went to pay for the brown bin last week (I've been tight and not wanted to pay) but again I didn't.
Why?
Because the payment covers from January 1st to December 31st each year and NOT for 12 months from when you first pay. I shall wait until the 1st of January now.

So the council doesn't, for example, expect anyone to move house other than in late December or early January.
I don't know of a subscription to anything else that isn't twelve months from whichever month one chooses to start it or doesn't allow a proportionate fee such as 25% for October to December inclusive.

 

[Cue]

So the council doesn't, for example, expect anyone to move house other than in late December or early January.
I don't know of a subscription to anything else that isn't twelve months from whichever month one chooses to start it or doesn't allow a proportionate fee such as 25% for October to December inclusive.

In fact it’s much more complex to even set a system up that doesn’t prorate and is based on calendar year not on when you subscribe… most billing systems wouldn’t allow for that as it doesn’t make sense

 

[Mudgie]

In fact it’s much more complex to even set such a thing up… most billing systems wouldn’t allow for that as it doesn’t make sense

So how then can any charity offer annual membership or any publication offer an annual subscription now without either expecting me to pay a twelve month fee for three months usage or suggesting that I wait three months ?
And is it the same as last year when they wouldn't accept cash payments ?

 

[Cue]

So how then can any charity offer annual membership or any publication offer an annual subscription now without either expecting me to pay a twelve month fee for three months usage or suggesting that I wait three months ?
And is it the same as last year when they wouldn't accept cash payments ?

I meant it’s more complex to setup a system where you’re billed by calendar year with no prorating

Pretty much any billing system has that logic baked in

 

[Mudgie]

I meant it’s more complex to setup a system where you’re billed by calendar year with no prorating

Pretty much any billing system has that logic baked in

Any business wanting to survive, rather than a council with a monopoly on a particular service, knows that the intransigence of billing only by calendar means that that isn't an option.
Any business not willing to deal with anything a bit "more complex" doesn't deserve to survive, and won't.

 

[Mudgie]

The renewal notices have now been issued and we're told that "the charge remains the same as 2021 at £36 per brown bin" which is just as well given the colossal £36 increase this time last year. .

 

[staffordjas]

I've just checked when to expect my new sticker by (as some of my post has been going astray). All being posted out together around middle of december.

 

[Noah]

If you think Stafford bin collections are a problem ... Cambridge City Council recently had problems with bin collections because of staff shortages. Once sorted they announced an extra bin collection stating "bins will be collected in the order in which they were not previously collected."
Well that is clear then.

 

[gilesjuk]

They offer 1st jan to 31st dec because the sticker is a different colour each year. Just easier to check. Like the car tax discs used to change colour every 6 months.

 

[Gramaisc]

They offer 1st jan to 31st dec because the sticker is a different colour each year. Just easier to check. Like the car tax discs used to change colour every 6 months.

I once made a tax disc holder for a car I built, as it was open and it needed to be secure. I used an old tax disc off my motor bike as a template.

I took it for an MOT, which it failed. As I drove it back, I got stared at intently by plod, as we faced each other at the lights. I got home as fast as I could and got the disc out, as having a 'fake' disc in was only going to aggravate them even more, if they turned up after me.

However, I then found out that, although the disc was for another vehicle and years out of date, it was so old that it was the right colour.

Result!

 

[BobClay]

Move over John Dillinger ..... @Gramaisc is coming through .....

 

[Mudgie]

They offer 1st jan to 31st dec because the sticker is a different colour each year. Just easier to check. Like the car tax discs used to change colour every 6 months.

Car tax discs changed colour once every twelve, not six, months, in January, but you had TWELVE different options, starting with whichever month of the year you choose.
For garden refuse we have ONE option, starting at the beginning of January.

 

[Cue]

They offer 1st jan to 31st dec because the sticker is a different colour each year. Just easier to check. Like the car tax discs used to change colour every 6 months.

Then they should prorate the bill depending on when you sign up, not our fault they devised a bad system

Or just keep putting your bin out anyway as the bin men aren’t paid enough to give a shit

 

[The Hawk]

For garden refuse we have ONE option, starting at the beginning of January.

Then they should prorate the bill depending on when you sign up, not our fault they devised a bad system

Or just keep putting your bin out anyway as the bin men aren’t paid enough to give a shit

Or just use your green bin for garden waste, as you are allowed to do.

 

[c0tt0nt0p]

Or just use your green bin for garden waste, as you are allowed to do.

Yep, but then people don't feel any entitlement for rage on the subject!!

 

[BobClay]

No rage ??

Or be like the Mad King, Aerys Targaryen: "BURN IT ALL"

(Please excuse me, it's Monday morning. And even though I'm retired, and every day should be like Saturday, and much of my working life was working watches, so every day is the same, there's something about Monday mornings that releases the primitive.)

Rant (such as it is) ... over.

 

[Mudgie]

I once made a tax disc holder for a car I built, as it was open and it needed to be secure. I used an old tax disc off my motor bike as a template.

I took it for an MOT, which it failed. As I drove it back, I got stared at intently by plod, as we faced each other at the lights. I got home as fast as I could and got the disc out, as having a 'fake' disc in was only going to aggravate them even more, if they turned up after me.

However, I then found out that, although the disc was for another vehicle and years out of date, it was so old that it was the right colour.

Result!

Four yearly until 1998, three yearly ( red, blue, purple ) thereafter ?

 

[gilesjuk]

I agree though, it's a stupid system for the consumer. But the intention is to extract as much cash as possible from us. Then in April they'll be giving back all of it with this £150 rebate (unless you have a big house).

 

[Withnail]

We all still understand that reducing costs means lessening the bureaucratic costs as well, yes?

You do realise that if some people pay, and others do not, there is an administrative burden placed on the system?

So the complexity of the administration of that system is necessarily restrained by its ability to make the savings that it has been designed to make, in the face of the new administrative burdens placed upon it.

It is quite easy to make the administrative effort of achieving those savings cost as much, or more, than those you intended to save. All the people that consistently think that things should be easy, often underestimate how difficult it can be to do even the simplest of things.