Rolf's in town...

citricsquid

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He is in prison - it's the ones who are walking the streets they should be worried about.

People choose to believe that the only danger to their children are evil men lurking in the shadows because the truth, that almost all abuse comes from family and acquaintances, is far harder to swallow. The amount of abuse that would be prevented by never releasing convicted sex offenders is negligible in comparison to the abuse that is never reported.
 

John Marwood

I ♥ cryptic crosswords
People choose to believe that the only danger to their children are evil men lurking in the shadows because the truth, that almost all abuse comes from family and acquaintances, is far harder to swallow. The amount of abuse that would be prevented by never releasing convicted sex offenders is negligible in comparison to the abuse that is never reported.


This is a de facto

You only have to speak to relevant health professionals to know this

But you can't string up the whole street and hope you didn't miss anyone, tis far easier to point in the same direction as the media
 

andy w

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The problem was that for too long, too many in authority chose to look the other way. Hopefully now that action is being taken men (whatever their colour or background) will realise that such behaviour will not be tolerated and they face prison if they abuse children.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Them and us, standard procedure. But them and them even better, defending the downtrodden from the evil scum. Makes people feel like their DM hatred is for a positive cause not just a defensive one, and who can argue with that?
 

andy w

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I fear that there may have also been a perception that a lot of the victims were seen as being from the 'less worthy' sections of society, as well.
My thoughts exactly. Sadly the plight of a nice middle class girl is more worthy than a prostitute from a care home for example.
Vulnerable girls are easy prey and equate attention, however bad it is, to love. Unlike others I don't point a finger at certain minorities as sadly bad attitude and behaviour seems universal, but what I would say is that the inaction of the police and authorities to tackle abuse within some groups because it was politically sensitive only allowed the abuse to continue and become more widespread.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I can recall an interview, some years ago, with a father from Oxford, recalling how he had repeatedly pleaded with police to intervene in some way in his daughter's case, whilst providing them, at some personal risk, with considerable amounts of evidence - yet he was threatened with arrest for obstruction or wasting police time if he continued to 'harass' them....
 

Maryland

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The 'minorities' aspect, while difficult to talk about, has a lot to do with the traditional status of women in some parts of the world, and the transposition of such ideas to societies such as our own where we got over regarding women as chattels, subservient to the real actors in the world, men, some time ago. So on the one hand you've got women who are no more than skin and bone signifiers of the importance of men, family, clan et al, and every aspect of whose existence is subject to the control of men, family etc. These attitudes are centuries old, from a very different time and place, and have absolutely no shred of appropriateness (is that a word?) to a decent, tolerant, liberal, enlightened society in 2014. A woman thus oppressed does what she's told - because she's not really a person - or, appallingly, she's likely to be murdered by her family. Even here, even now.

On the other hand there's the increasing vulgarity of British society, and the growth in recent years, amongst younger people, of the kind of objectification of women as a sexual commodity that those of us old enough to have been there thought we'd sent packing decades ago. So a repressed man from a repressive culture, where women have no meaningful autonomy and may be murdered if they transgress social norms, finds himself living in a place where nobody seems to care very much what anybody gets up to, however vulgar, demeaning or exploitative. Result, he takes what he can get. That's what men do, right?

Wrong, wrong, wrong. But who is telling them that? Only, I imagine, the beleaguered copper and social worker in some grubby interview room after they get caught. In prison, they'll be mixing probably with others of their kind. Not really going to counter deeply-rooted values is it, any of that?

As for the child abuse thing, I don't want to know what such people are thinking. Some may be pathologically not normal. But I suspect that for many of them it's al lot to do with having power over others and doing whatever they damn well please.

Hark at this half-baked nonsense first thing on a Saturday. But theres a lot to be angry about in this.
 

Hetairoi

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My thoughts exactly. Sadly the plight of a nice middle class girl is more worthy than a prostitute from a care home for example.
Unlike others I don't point a finger at certain minorities as sadly bad attitude and behaviour seems universal, but what I would say is that the inaction of the police and authorities to tackle abuse within some groups because it was politically sensitive only allowed the abuse to continue and become more widespread.

Calling them 'prostitute from a care home' is very judgemental and that attitude is part of the problem.

I agree with you that the abuse of young girls (and boys) is not confined to one ethnic group but there does seem to be a particular problem with men of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin and that can not be ignored.
 
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