Safety of Women at Night scheme.

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
A friend's father was a lorry driver who had such a resemblance to Sutcliffe that he could have played him in a film - he was interviewed several times.
My brother in law (married the youngest sister) was* the spit of Peter Sutcliffe, got stopped by the Police once, luckily, the person with him was able to provide an alibi to his whereabouts on whatever night it was they were enquiring about.

*Was - now looks like a bedraggled wonky nosed Billy Connolly.
 

Just little old me:)

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The continuation of this thread only amplifies my point. Peter Sutcliffe and Wayne Couzens are extreme events. Incredibly rare, highly unlikely and a couple of taxi marshals won’t stop them. The fact Suttcliffe is still spoken about is a case in point. How many domestic murder victims (or perpetrators) could you name?

The facts are very clear, women are much more likely to be the victim of a sexual offence than men, but this is MUCH more likely to be perpetrated by a person they know. Stranger crime are rare.

If you want to acknowledge that this is about making people FEEL safe rather than actually making a meaningful difference, fine, I accept that. But if you wanted to make more women safe with that money, it’s better spent on domestic violence refuges, housing for women, specialist policing and prosecutors and civil injunctions. That WOULD make women safer. For me though, it shouldn’t be policing the fear of crime, it should be doing meaningful things with tax payers money.

Taxi bouncers and cctv are going to do more about drunken male on male violence than anything else.

But, hey, if it makes you feel safer *shrug*.
You didn't answer the question? Would you send (willfully assuming both were alive) your mum home safe or your dad?
Men (95% of which make up the population at her majestys pleasure) are the key perpetrators. It is not just about making 'women' feel safer it's about how does society as a whole evoke change. Something that in the last 40 years the human race has been shockingly bad at whilst saying it's made progress.
Yes we need more police on the streets. Would everyone one here pay an extra £500 a year minimum in council tax to cover this or take a 10% cut in benefits to fund this? Pretty sure we all know the answer to this (myself included) so how can we make a difference Doggedwaller?
 

DoggedWalker

A few posts under my belt
You didn't answer the question? Would you send (willfully assuming both were alive) your mum home safe or your dad?
Men (95% of which make up the population at her majestys pleasure) are the key perpetrators. It is not just about making 'women' feel safer it's about how does society as a whole evoke change. Something that in the last 40 years the human race has been shockingly bad at whilst saying it's made progress.
Yes we need more police on the streets. Would everyone one here pay an extra £500 a year minimum in council tax to cover this or take a 10% cut in benefits to fund this? Pretty sure we all know the answer to this (myself included) so how can we make a difference Doggedwaller?
I’d send my mother home, my father is dead and has been for some time.

The prison population question is an altogether different one. Women are far less likely to be sent to prison in the first place, and when they do, they get significantly shorter sentences. Equality eh?

Men are responsible for significantly more violent crime than women, I’ve acknowledged that several times, whilst also pointing out that those at greater risk are actually men.

You really think I trust the council to spend another £500 of my cash properly? No chance, they piss most of it up the wall already.
 

Theresa Green

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Fraud, particularly Internet fraud is the biggest reported crime in the UK and has been for a number of years

However, the proportion of police officers employed to solve or prevent such in relative numbers is tiny

Source : African Prince Spam lll
 

Just little old me:)

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I’d send my mother home, my father is dead and has been for some time.

The prison population question is an altogether different one. Women are far less likely to be sent to prison in the first place, and when they do, they get significantly shorter sentences. Equality eh?

Men are responsible for significantly more violent crime than women, I’ve acknowledged that several times, whilst also pointing out that those at greater risk are actually men.

You really think I trust the council to spend another £500 of my cash properly? No chance, they piss most of it up the wall already.
A very wise person once told me I would be much happier if I trusted 'people' in life more.
I understand this many years after this person gave me this advice as when someone wants to rattle your cage in life you have 2 choices...
1. Be rattled and rise and distrust the world.
2. Trust in people. and those that let you down learn eventually that life has a groove and your trust (albeit broken) helps that individual learn.

I'm much happier in life trusting people😊
On the mother/father side I get that if your dad was still alive you'd still save your mum?
As a man you need to get to grips with what you feel threatened by,by men and work out how you can over come that.
My posts are very much about acceptance of everyone as to me that is how to help life be life... i.e the less f_cks I give the happier I am. Not because I don't care but more because there will always be trolls🤔😉
For me...live love laugh and be happy,
It is never as bad as you think it is at the time. 1 year later you won't even remember the event 12 months ago.( Unless facepoo reminds you😂,,)
 

SketchyMagpie

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The continuation of this thread only amplifies my point. Peter Sutcliffe and Wayne Couzens are extreme events. Incredibly rare, highly unlikely and a couple of taxi marshals won’t stop them. The fact Suttcliffe is still spoken about is a case in point. How many domestic murder victims (or perpetrators) could you name?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps I didn't explain it properly so allow me to elaborate.

I didn't point to Wayne Couzens and Peter Sutcliffe as examples of what can happen, I pointed specifically to the way that those two events lead to a rise of women speaking up about their experiences en masse (which is why I referred to how vox pops from each era seemed to be interchangeable) and how disheartening it was for me to realise that what felt like a paradigm shift in 2021 had occurred in the same way 50 years previous and nothing had changed. The murders themselves were the catalysts but incidental to the point I was making.

You are right in that women are far more likely to suffer violence within their own walls than out on the street but, Jesus Christ, that doesn't mean we shouldn't bother trying to make the streets safer for those who are at greater risk of certain types of unwanted attention (we are also talking about harassment and threatening behaviour as much as outright violence itself). I know women personally who were assaulted on the streets, went to the police and were asked "what were you wearing?" and didn't take it any further out of fear of being publicly humiliated/shamed so how many people do you think there are who don't even show up in the statistics because they're too scared to even report it?

I think it's Ok in some contexts to point out that men can also have the experience of feeling threatened or being attacked by strangers on the streets (though I would argue that during a discussion about women's safety is not that time). I'm a metalhead and have always dressed alternatively, I used to get abuse regularly and have feared for my safety a few times. I have a few male friends of the same ilk who have been physically assaulted on multiple occasions because of how they were dressed. I have some trans friends (male and female) who have experienced harassment, all by men. Men are clearly the victimisers in these scenarios and that doesn't stop at women. When we're talking about victimisation that goes beyond random attacks, people who don't conform to how you're "supposed" to look and dress of any gender are a category of their own. So are those who who are attacked because of their race or their sexuality. When I see people talking about the Sophie Lancaster Foundation and how to keep goths, moshers and greebos safe on the streets I don't think "but what about queer people? What about ethnic minorities?"

Nobody is saying that women are the only people who are at risk from strangers who are men, but they are victimised for a specific reason that is distinct and common enough to be talked about in its own terms.
 
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kyoto49

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We drive our 16yr old daughter to work every Saturday & Sunday morning at 6.30am as we don't think it's safe for her to walk, even at that time of the morning, as there are still stragglers left over from Friday & Saturday night drinking.
That's really interesting as I never felt the need to do anything similar for my daughter and we live in a similar area. Off she used to go daily on her push bike along the lines at all daylight hours or stone road when dark. Never had any issues on those journeys. She also walked the dog at all hours without any problems at all.
 

gilesjuk

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That's really interesting as I never felt the need to do anything similar for my daughter and we live in a similar area. Off she used to go daily on her push bike along the lines at all daylight hours or stone road when dark. Never had any issues on those journeys. She also walked the dog at all hours without any problems at all.
An electric bike will be even better. When I used to commute to the train station the power got me out of trouble once when a taxi driver didn't give way at the roundabout between Victoria Road and Tenterbanks. I was lit up well as well. Should be useful to get away from pedestrian loons too.
 

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
That's really interesting as I never felt the need to do anything similar for my daughter and we live in a similar area. Off she used to go daily on her push bike along the lines at all daylight hours or stone road when dark. Never had any issues on those journeys. She also walked the dog at all hours without any problems at all.
Funny you say that, youngest is 31, built like a chunky-ish brick s*** house and all that. Not normally scared by anything. He's taken to going for a walk up the lines on his night off, far as Beaconside and back. Doesn't take long, and he says he feels better for it.
Other night he came in white as a sheet, said he felt like someone was following him, he had to come off just by the common and walked home, Stone Road to Pans Drive then home. His spidey senses kicked in and he knew he had to get somewhere safer. Hasn't been anywhere since.
He normally uses an electric bike for work, or, if I'm off, I'll run him in. Gives us time together we never get due to us both working stupid hours.
 
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gilesjuk

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Funny you say that, youngest is 31, built like a chunky-ish brick s*** house and all that. Not normally scared by anything. He's taken to going for a walk up the lines on his night off, far as Beaconside and back. Doesn't take long, and he says he feels better for it.
Other night he came in white as a sheet, said he felt like someone was following him, he had to come off just by the common and walked home, Stone Road to Pans Drive then home. His spidey senses kicked in and he knew he had to get somewhere safer. Hasn't been anywhere since.
He normally uses an electric bike for work, or, if I'm off, I'll run him in. Gives us time together we never get due to us both working stupid hours.

A friend of mine was the victim of an attempted mugging on the Stone Road. I say attempted because he's a gym nut and soon sent them on their way.
 

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
A friend of mine was the victim of an attempted mugging on the Stone Road. I say attempted because he's a gym nut and soon sent them on their way.
Youngest said he knew he wasn't safe, the atmosphere suddenly changed, and he was very aware that he wasn't alone.
 
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littleme

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A friend of mine was the victim of an attempted mugging on the Stone Road. I say attempted because he's a gym nut and soon sent them on their way.
When was this? minime got caught up in something on the Stone Rd at around 4pm the other day?
 

littleme

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Funny you say that, youngest is 31, built like a chunky-ish brick s*** house and all that. Not normally scared by anything. He's taken to going for a walk up the lines on his night off, far as Beaconside and back. Doesn't take long, and he says he feels better for it.
Other night he came in white as a sheet, said he felt like someone was following him, he had to come off just by the common and walked home, Stone Road to Pans Drive then home. His spidey senses kicked in and he knew he had to get somewhere safer. Hasn't been anywhere since.
He normally uses an electric bike for work, or, if I'm off, I'll run him in. Gives us time together we never get due to us both working stupid hours.

A friend of mine was the victim of an attempted mugging on the Stone Road. I say attempted because he's a gym nut and soon sent them on their way.

When was this? minime got caught up in something on the Stone Rd at around 4pm the other day?
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