Stafford Gateway Masterplan.

kyoto49

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Looking at the picture it would seem than The Shoe Shed, Tranquillity et all would all be demolished.
Yeah they always knew this I think. They just signed a 3 year extension. I'm thinking they are disgusted at the lack of space for community projects such as theirs, as we all should be.

The council talks greenwash but has no clue. Look at the wonderful recycling that goes on at Tranquility
 

YorkshirePud

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Looking at the picture it would seem than The Shoe Shed, Tranquillity et all would all be demolished.
And The Hollies site (Vets4Pets, Gym & Tonic and the Limes vaccination centre)

I also note that the number of 'homes' has gone up from 800 to 900. The homes are described as townhouses and apartments - townhouses meaning no gardens to speak of and no parking places, I presume. The original 800 were broken down as 150 townhouses and 650 apartments, so perhaps they are just going to add another storey the the apartment block(s).

It is also going to provide 'active green and blue spaces and public realm', but from the illustrations that will be made up of the existing balancing lake at the Martin Drive roundabout and the existing bowling green.
 

Mudgie

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And The Hollies site (Vets4Pets, Gym & Tonic and the Limes vaccination centre)

I also note that the number of 'homes' has gone up from 800 to 900. The homes are described as townhouses and apartments - townhouses meaning no gardens to speak of and no parking places, I presume. The original 800 were broken down as 150 townhouses and 650 apartments, so perhaps they are just going to add another storey the the apartment block(s).

It is also going to provide 'active green and blue spaces and public realm', but from the illustrations that will be made up of the existing balancing lake at the Martin Drive roundabout and the existing bowling green.
And it looks as if the Royal Mail Delivery Office will have moved out of town.
Only the original neo Georgian building remains but with another use as there are pedestrians where the newer buildings and vans currently are.
 

kyoto49

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I find this whole thing unbelievable, even for Stafford.

An empty shopping centre, oh yeah, let's build more shops. We can't even fill the new shopping centre let alone the existing town centre shops

The shift from office to home working, I know, let's build more offices.

Green space and community projects, concrete the lot.

I genuinely have no clue on who dreams up this short termist shite.

Meanwhile this is Stafford cycling provision.... A bit rated v good or good, due to the inheritance of a disused railway line. Anything the council has been involved in, poor or non existant :(. No money in that see :(

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Gramaisc

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I find this whole thing unbelievable, even for Stafford.

An empty shopping centre, oh yeah, let's build more shops. We can't even fill the new shopping centre let alone the existing town centre shops

The shift from office to home working, I know, let's build more offices.

Green space and community projects, concrete the lot.

I genuinely have no clue on who dreams up this short termist shite.

Meanwhile this is Stafford cycling provision.... A bit rated v good or good, due to the inheritance of a disused railway line. Anything the council has been involved in, poor or non existant :(. No money in that see :(

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Is there a 'good' cycle route from the Isabel Trail down by the balancing lakes to Astonfields Road - and is the junction with the Beaconside path a roundabout? It was a flight of steps last time I looked.
 

GNM67

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Is there a 'good' cycle route from the Isabel Trail down by the balancing lakes to Astonfields Road - and is the junction with the Beaconside path a roundabout? It was a flight of steps last time I looked.
The steep stairs are there,if you can find them when coming from beconside.
There is also a flat route past some houses, again if you can find it.

This was me back and forth trying to find it 😂

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kyoto49

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The steep stairs are there,if you can find them when coming from beconside.
There is also a flat route past some houses, again if you can find it.

This was me back and forth trying to find it 😂

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Yeah you needed to follow the little green line in to the Haybarns, then to the Sandon Road and then take a left. It's a decent bit of cycle route tbh
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Yeah, I didn't really expect a roundabout to have appeared to replace the secret stairs. I do normally use the Haybarns route.

It was more the 'spike' down through the balancing lakes that confused me - I haven't been round there for a year, but that would be a challenging cycle for most people, in my experience.
 

gilesjuk

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The last few times I've been down the Isabel trail it's been flooded under one of the bridges. Although I've not been down there for ages.
 

DoggedWalker

Active Member
Not that my opinion will be considered, I completed the ‘have your say’ page. Broadly I said;

- Additional retail is unnecessary when 25% of current units are vacant

- Don’t use cladding type materials and actually make something that is architecturally worth having in the town.

- Housing actually needs to provide more than the minimum recommended space for occupants.
 

kyoto49

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Not that my opinion will be considered, I completed the ‘have your say’ page. Broadly I said;

- Additional retail is unnecessary when 25% of current units are vacant

- Don’t use cladding type materials and actually make something that is architecturally worth having in the town.

- Housing actually needs to provide more than the minimum recommended space for occupants.
Has anyone read this plan thoroughly? It is full of inaccuracies and assumptions, and pictures of places that will look nothing like what gets inflicted on Staffordians

What is the occupancy rate of our fine town centre retail now the Guildhall is empty?
 

Theresa Green

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Has anyone read this plan thoroughly? It is full of inaccuracies and assumptions, and pictures of places that will look nothing like what gets inflicted on Staffordians

What is the occupancy rate of our fine town centre retail now the Guildhall is empty?
You’re missing the point

The point has already been made

Mary Truss will tax complaining and put VAT on sarcasm

Fitzherbert Dabs all round
 

gilesjuk

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I remember the plans for the houses at the old Police HQ site. I was actually in favour as it had lots of green spaces and would be able to walk through there. Look at the reality of what has been built.
 
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