Stafford Hospital, Council Tax

[proactive]

I hate loathe and detest Stafford hospital and think that it should be flattened.

Don't you think Stafford has more to gain by the hospital continueing to sort itself out, improving and delivering high quality care including a 24hr A&E service than it does by the place being flattened and no doubt turned into a sprawling estate of tiny town houses?

We all know that Stafford hospital had, and in some areas still has serious problems. Your statement, however, is surely a kick in the teeth for all those staff that have worked hard over the past few years to try to turn things around and is unhelpful. What is really needed is for the whole community to rally round and be supportive of the improvements made so far and still to come.

Our town would be immeasurably poorer without it's own hospital.

 

[Glam]

I hate loathe and detest Stafford hospital and think that it should be flattened.

I don't hate the DGH at all, I've had skin cancer, don't care who knows. I received treatment between Stafford and Cannock hospital. The staff were brilliant and caring at every turn.
My mum died up the DGH 5yrs ago, and while the ward she passed away in was filthy and cluttered, the care she got from the nursing staff was good.
I've had go up there during the course of my job with a couple of patients, yes there's some staff who pull back when you say yr from St.Georges, majority don't care, they're there to care and that is what they do.

 

[Gareth]

I agree, whatever needed to be had to be done. Now in the papers every week there are hosts of people writing to compliment Stafford DGH. Complaints have fallen and the Care Commission are saying Stafford are ticking the boxes, not that we would know that because who wants to report on the good stuff. Does anyone know Stafford have generated the least complaints over a set period than any hospital in the West Mids

Stafford A&E looks like it will reopen in October and is due to be signed off next week, all this can only be a good thing for Stafford people. With my 90 year nan having broken her hip recently the care and after care have prompted my aunt to write to the councillor to heap praise on SDGH.

Thing is everyone thinks it is better outside of Stafford, it isn't, Stafford were just the first to get caught out and because such news is not local to us we do not know about it.

Flicking through headlines in recent weeks the standard of care at the likes of Birmingham Children's, Oswestry, Wolverhampton, Stockport (again), Cambridge, it would make your blood curdle.

But let’s talk about North Staffs from someone who comes from there. Their standards have caused great concern in the last 2 years and that is discounting the recent legionnaire outbreak and the fact they have failed to establish why out of every 100 people who are expected to pass away 140 plus were actually dying at North Staffs compared to 91 out of every 100 at Stafford, this was in January. Wolverhampton are having to answer the questions and justify such a record.

I have sympathy for anyone who has to go to North Staffs or Wolverhampton A&E with a serious injury/ illness at the moment. Look at that poor child and family recently in Stafford who were waiting to get to North Staffs.

Stafford’s children’s ward is excellent at Stafford but it wasn’t available. After all that has gone on and the scrutiny SDGH will be under, it will turn out to be one of the safer ones as NHS hospitals are a mess across the board.

People keep forgetting many of the faults are through the management, lack of staffing and so on, not actually the quality and care of nurses and doctors who were in short supply and under severe pressure. Hopefully all this would change now, I for one would rather go SDGH than go to North Staffs.

 

[RowanDraper]

Don't you think Stafford has more to gain by the hospital continueing to sort itself out, improving and delivering high quality care including a 24hr A&E service than it does by the place being flattened and no doubt turned into a sprawling estate of tiny town houses?

We all know that Stafford hospital had, and in some areas still has serious problems. Your statement, however, is surely a kick in the teeth for all those staff that have worked hard over the past few years to try to turn things around and is unhelpful. What is really needed is for the whole community to rally round and be supportive of the improvements made so far and still to come.

Our town would be immeasurably poorer without it's own hospital.

I agree completely.

Stafford A&E looks like it will reopen in October and is due to be signed off next week, all this can only be a good thing for Stafford people. With my 90 year nan having broken her hip recently the care and after care have prompted my aunt to write to the councillor to heap praise on SDGH.

I think it's important people know about this article (if they haven't read it already) as the meeting happened today and won't be in the Newsletter until next week: http://www.staffordshirenewsletter....l-say-over-Stafford-AE-reopening-07092012.htm

It says that the Hospital want to the Commissioners support to re-open before they do. I'm not sure whether they mean the Primary Care Trust as the commissioners of the service now or the Clinical Commissioning Group, that the Health and Social Care legislation has been created, as I'm led to believe they will take control of commissioning in October. I shall assume for argument's sake that they mean the CCG though: have there been any introductions to the general public as to who they are?

Outside of the leaked letter published earlier this year.

 

[Withnail]

I think it's important people know about this article (if they haven't read it already) as the meeting happened today and won't be in the Newsletter until next week: http://www.staffordshirenewsletter....l-say-over-Stafford-AE-reopening-07092012.htm

It says that the Hospital want to the Commissioners support to re-open before they do. I'm not sure whether they mean the Primary Care Trust as the commissioners of the service now or the Clinical Commissioning Group...

They mean the CCG, one would have thought

...have there been any introductions to the general public as to who they are?

Who's Who
http://www.staffordpbc.nhs.uk/whos-who/
http://www.cannockchasecc.nhs.uk/index.php?id=130

Outside of the leaked letter published earlier this year.

http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/index.php?threads/stafford-hospitals-future.8567/

 

[RowanDraper]

Who's Who
http://www.staffordpbc.nhs.uk/whos-who/

Thanks for that, really helpful

 

[Withnail]

Thanks must really go to Unlikelysuspect - outwith the leaked letter i wouldn't have known where to start looking.

Not exactly, erm, forward in coming forward, are they?

 

[Gramaisc]

Night-time closure of A&E is to continue - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-19568300 .

 

[Jonah]

Probably saves the Foundation money so they don't want to open it again. #cynic

 

[Gramaisc]

Jeremy Lefroy is 'disappointed' - and confused by the implications, it seems - http://www.staffordshirenewsletter....-to-reopen-AE-very-disappointing-12092012.htm

 

[Gareth]

Well at least Julie Bailey is happy about it all when every else is in uproar. All the hard work and the cost of hiring additional staff all kicked into touch because the Trust financially find themselves unstainable. Brilliant applause all around to cure the nhs and the management how many more people will die because they cannot get to hospital quick enough. Disgrace

 

[ATJ]

It's bloody disgraceful that despite the publicity and hard work that's gone into trying to fix this hospital, it still can't be deemed safe enough to open over night.
This 'pilot scheme' they're running from December is very short on details at the moment.

Not even a new aim date for getting it fully open, now closed 'indefinitely'.

Good one.

 

[Withnail]

Brilliant applause all around to cure the nhs ...

Yeah! Who give's a fark how safe the hospital is, so long as its open?

Yeah! Cure The NHS, innit?, and their do-gooding, sodding, not wanting people to die.

Yeah, farking brilliant applause to everyone involved in keeping an unsafe hospital closed - i hope you are all happy with yourselves.

How many more people will die elsewhere because they weren't in the queue to die at Mid Staffs?

Disgrace.

 

[Gareth]

That was last year my friend not now. The hospial has been passed by the CSC as meeting standards to open it's A+E, instead it gets pushed by commisioning because they are over a barrell now because of how Mid Staffs operate their finances.

The people of Stafford want this open and Julie Bailey's comments just show that she is still a very bitter individual, it is done she has got what she wanted it is time to move on. Julie Bailey is not the voice of Stafford people and neither is Cure the NHS, they are the voice of a very small minority who are not privvy to the facts and if CSC deem the hospital is meeting standards then that should be it. Stafford people do not need cure the nhs any longer, Stafford people want this hospital open-FACT. This shows the failure and the origins of the issue in the first place; MID STAFFS.

Apparantley this pilot scheme will enable amubulances for people with serious injuries/ illess to be admitted into Stafford overnight to be assessed. The hopistal will then decide if they treat the patient, if not and quote commisioning services "will be adequately resuscitated and then tossed"

Wow, that really will improve things.

 

[proactive]

Some further details

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/...-unit-wont-accept-walk-in-patients-overnight/

 

[jpphotography]

Interesting to see Stafford Hospital mentioned in the Telegraph... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...-NHS-hospital-wards-on-brink-of-collapse.html

 

[flossietoo]

I've never met Julie Bailey but I do feel the need to stand up for her when people blame the current problems at the hospital, on the person who pointed out that they existed! She stood up and did something and she's carried on fighting. It's not as if she was suggesting that there were issues where none existed. The Trust was in the news again, earlier this week: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-19556975

 

[gilesjuk]

It's bloody disgraceful that despite the publicity and hard work that's gone into trying to fix this hospital, it still can't be deemed safe enough to open over night.

I think it is more due to staff shortages than anything.

 

[Gareth]

I don't think anybody has got issues with what Julie Bailey started, but that was an age ago. We are talking about now, not a 18 months ago. But in fairness to her even in today's Newsletter it is quite clear this Faceless GPs commision as it has been called she stated they had already made decision on this regardless how far Stafford DGH has come. She is right, this pilot was not just conjured up yesterday, it must have been in the pipeline for sometime regardless and is an obvious cost saving issue, which could cost more lives by the word of it's early makeup.

Now Stafford has employed staff for certain post they are not going to use . The Trust needs to save money and commisioning services more than what they already have got is just going to cost more money and the Trust is still losing money.

On the flip side, people currently accessing Stafford Hospital seem to be sick and tired of Julie Bailey's remarks as seen in todays Newsletter from people who are currently there and say owe their lives to the place. If anyone has seen the Newsletter every week will have seen the weekly praise for the place of people ACTUALLY using the hospital in it's present format, that coupled with the employment of staff, the CQC and the backing of 99% of people in Stafford I can understand the disgruntlement by the public and Julie Bailey's constant commenting for her own means it seems now.

She has served her purpose and she did great, but it is time for Stafford DGH to get on with it instead of remarking on something she is not involved in anymore.

 

[Withnail]

Am i missing something, because i can't see what she has said that has raised your hackles so?

The only comment attributed to her i can find is this, in the Newsletter -

This investigation by Monitor is another serious blow to our hopes that Mid Staffs was getting its act together.

- which sounds like a fair comment to me, in what way is this disgraceful?