Stafford Hospital - What a car crash

[Admin]

Thres a petition going around, to stop closure of the hospital, only 851 signitures out of a population of 63681 in stafford (2001 census). So the rest dont care? Shocking!!

Is there an online version? Or, where is the paper version?

Gramaisc posted the link to it on the last page: http://www.staffordforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=132393#p132393.

 

[John Marwood]

In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.

You seem to have all the answers without actually sharing them, as well as pointing at a victim who appears to have given an awful lot of herself in order to discover why so much is wrong

Explain yourself or retract

 

[basil]

Twat maybe visits here, ,what à total waste of space, ... f#cl off lefroy! ......

Can second that?

Surely someone on hear voted for him, perhaps they might like tell us just what he's up to.......

 

[Gramaisc]

I most certainly didn't vote for him, but -

STAFFORD’S A&E IS AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE FOR OUR AREA – WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT IT IS SAFE, OF HIGH QUALITY AND OPEN 24/7

and

I am disturbed –as I am sure all readers are - by the news that the Trust Board responsible for Stafford Hospital may have to authorise a temporary overnight closure (10pm to 8am) of the Accident and Emergency Department. I have made it clear that I believe that this should only happen if it absolutely necessary to ensure patient safety as a result of staff shortages. I know that the Trust is working as hard as possible to recruit the necessary staff to ensure that any night-time closure is either unnecessary or for as short a time as possible. I have raised the recruitment situation with the Department of Health on several occasions, including directly with the Minister Simon Burns MP over the weekend and on Monday, and I will continue to do so. Mr Burns told me of the work which the Strategic Health Authority cluster continues to do to help Stafford to try to recruit staff.

See - http://www.jeremylefroy.org.uk/

 

[Miss Red]

Theres a petition in the square in town today

 

[age'd parent]

In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.

Rubbish, without her how many more might have died?

The only and direct cause is bad management pure and simple,
and they would still be hiding the facts from us without Julie Bailey!

edit: angry spelling mistakes

 

[db]

In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.

agreed.. she was on midlands today shortly after the announcement about the A&E closing, basically saying "good, so it should, cos i've got a cob on about the place and i hope it burns to the ground "

all she has done is help the government scapegoat the hospital.. there are plenty of other hospitals around the country which are suffering (what about that one that has just been taken over by a private company, the name of which escapes me?) - stafford is just an easy one to make an example of..

oh, and as mentioned in other threads, i have a lot of experience as a patient at stafford hospital so feel i am just as qualified as her to pass judgement on the place.. i was there yesterday, in fact..

Explain yourself or retract

oh irony, how i love thee.. this should be a standard response to every single thing you post lol..

In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.

Rubbish, without her how many more might have died?

i don't know, mr x doesn't know, and nor do you.. could be zero, could be a thousand.. your point is hypothetical and irrelevant..

 

[Mr X]

Thres a petition going around, to stop closure of the hospital, only 851 signitures out of a population of 63681 in stafford (2001 census). So the rest dont care? Shocking!!

Is there an online version? Or, where is the paper version?

Gramaisc posted the link to it on the last page: http://www.staffordforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=132393#p132393.

My bad, thanks Admin

 

[Mr X]

In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.

You seem to have all the answers without actually sharing them, as well as pointing at a victim who appears to have given an awful lot of herself in order to discover why so much is wrong

Explain yourself or retract

I don't have all the answers, and neither does Julie Bailey. However, I haven't gone around criticising the hospital in every way possible. Unless I've missed something major (possible, as I soon got bored/frustrated with her constant attacks and stopped reading), she has not actually solved the problems.

All she has achieved is getting the hospital national media coverage for the wrong reasons. Yes, she may have uncovered the scandals, but people now have the view that the hospital is bad in every single way.

There are countless staff at the hospital that give everything they can to help the people that need it the most but they have been tarnished with the same brush as the scum who have been in charge of the place. I don't see Bailey giving praise to those who do so much good for so many people. Instead, I see a woman with one (admittedly very bad) experience trying to take it out on as many people as she can and not giving a sh*t about all those who have lost the respect they deserve, and may even lose their jobs.

Rubbish, without her how many more might have died?

The only and direct cause is bad management pure and simple,
and they would still be hiding the facts from us without Julie Bailey!

Why, though, did she feel the need to go about it in this way? Why couldn't she have approached the right channels to express her concern (eg NHS big wigs, local government etc.)

agreed.. she was on midlands today shortly after the announcement about the A&E closing, basically saying "good, so it should, cos i've got a cob on about the place and i hope it burns to the ground "

Usual unproductive, non-solution-finding statements, then.

all she has done is help the government scapegoat the hospital.. there are plenty of other hospitals around the country which are suffering (what about that one that has just been taken over by a private company, the name of which escapes me?) - stafford is just an easy one to make an example of..

Scapegoat is the perfect word.

oh, and as mentioned in other threads, i have a lot of experience as a patient at stafford hospital so feel i am just as qualified as her to pass judgement on the place.. i was there yesterday, in fact..

Likewise, I have, and recently have had, family and friends who are currently making regular visits to the hospital and have received care to a very high standard. There are staff working there who give considerably more than what is required of them to help those who are ill. In return, they get the reputation of working at Stafford Hospital. Absolutely criminal.

i don't know, mr x doesn't know, and nor do you.. could be zero, could be a thousand.. your point is hypothetical and irrelevant..

True, nobody will ever know. I suspect that many more would have died had problems not been highlighted. But, as I've already stated, the publicity thanks to Bailey has achieved very little in the scheme of things and has caused problems on a massive scale.

 

[John Marwood]

You wrote:

“In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.”

“I don't have all the answers”

“Yes, she may have uncovered the scandals”

“Why, though, did she feel the need to go about it in this way? Why couldn't she have approached the right channels to express her concern (eg NHS big wigs, local government etc”

You appear to be either confused or stupid having either admitted you dont understand or that you accept that the 'right channels' failed

Which is it?

 

[age'd parent]

"Why, though, did she feel the need to go about it in this way? Why couldn't she have approached the right channels to express her concern (eg NHS big wigs, local government etc.)"


"The only and direct cause is bad management pure and simple,
and they would still be hiding the facts from us without Julie Bailey!"

Simples.

 

[joshua]

And before long (with the help of a few nasty stooges) all the blame and anger will be focused on the whistleblowers and they will be run out of town, so the fact that over 400 poeple DIED and countless others suffered and were neglected will be brushed under the carpet and all the towns woes are blamed on those who had the courage to speak up.

This has happened before and it will happen again.

 

[Gramaisc]

When I had a proper job, we had this pinned up :-


Six Phases of a Project:

1. Enthusiasm;
2. Disillusionment;
3. Panic;
4. Search for the Guilty;
5. Punishment of the Innocent;
6. Praise and Honors for the Non-Participants.


Sad, really..

 

[WildwoodPaul]

Just thinking about this some more, why is a petition being held to keep A & E open if they don't have or cannot find the qualified staff to run it?

If they were to keep the place open and a Junior Doctor was in charge and made an incorrect decision, it would be all over the media again.

They need to attract staff, how they go about doing that, I have no idea!

 

[John Marwood]

Just thinking about this some more, why is a petition being held to keep A & E open if they don't have or cannot find the qualified staff to run it?

If they were to keep the place open and a Junior Doctor was in charge and made an incorrect decision, it would be all over the media again.

They need to attract staff, how they go about doing that, I have no idea!

A valid and honest appraisal

This is not a simple or happy situation but the whole episode has been an example of how not to manage

 

[United57]

Some facts and figures for you to put Stafford in perspective.

1. In 2007, Mid Staffordshire's hospitals had the fourth-highest rate of unexpected deaths in Britain.

2. An analysis of deaths in English hospitals 2009 has found 19 NHS trusts have higher rates than would be expected. Mid Stafford was not one of these but Telford and Wolverhampton are part of the 19.

3. In 2007 Seven trusts required plans concerning High Mortality rates. Mid Stafford was in the 7.

4. In 2005-06 Staffords (SMR) was 127 the bench mark was 100. 27% worse than it should be.

5. Today, August 2011 the mortality rate was 15% below.

6. August 2011 there are still issues but these are over its management of medicines and recruitment. ( no matter how good it was the latest inspection would have found something)

"Confidence in the hospital has been damaged despite the fact that the reports from the hospital are pretty well all now positive. People may argue with that but the evidence is there."

Please have a look at this http://stafforddirect.ning.com/forum/topics/the-guardian-live-blog-on-stafford-hospital?xg_source=activity

So is Stafford hospital the car crash that some make out? It probably was bad but not as bad as some.

 

[Withnail]

So is Stafford hospital the car crash that some make out? It probably was bad but not as bad as some.

MEDICINE BALLS

Preventing another Mid Staffs

WHO can say with any confidence that a similar disaster to Mid Staffs isn’t happening now in the NHS? When M.D. (PE Medical writer) asked for a show of hands at a Tory party conference fringe meeting that included the health secretary, the president of the Royal College of Surgeons, the chief executives of the GMC and the NMC and a host of senior NHS managers and clinicians, not one arm was raised.

 

[Gramaisc]

The problem with a lot of these types of situations is that any employees that point out that things could be better are often treated as being 'negative'. Rocking the boat is often not the best thing to do, with regard to your relationships with supervisors and even your own co-workers, but it should still be done - very few boat-rockers are wrong, just inconvenient to other peoples' careers.

Management is the key to this and managing the recovery from this sort of thing is very difficult, but it is possible - if the right people are allowed, and supported from above and below, to do the right things.

 

[Mr X]

You wrote:

“In my view, Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself. The woman has a hell of a lot to answer for. There are ways to solve problems, her way isn't one of them.”

“I don't have all the answers”

“Yes, she may have uncovered the scandals”

“Why, though, did she feel the need to go about it in this way? Why couldn't she have approached the right channels to express her concern (eg NHS big wigs, local government etc”

You appear to be either confused or stupid having either admitted you dont understand or that you accept that the 'right channels' failed

Which is it?

I fail to see your point? Shall I join the sentences together for you?

Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself and has a hell of a lot to answer for. Yes, she may have uncovered the scandals, but by trying to gain as much publicity as possible (in the process giving no praise to the hard-working staff of the hospital) she has solved no problems, simply highlighted them. I don't have all the answers, but perhaps she should have approached the right channels instead of nationally making a mockery of the hospital.

A list, then,

"Confidence in the hospital has been damaged despite the fact that the reports from the hospital are pretty well all now positive. People may argue with that but the evidence is there."

So is Stafford hospital the car crash that some make out? It probably was bad but not as bad as some.

Precisely. It appears to have taken relatively little work, in a relatively short time, to sort out the problems that the hospital suffered. Sadly, it's not going to take such a short time to reverse the reputation. Meanwhile, comparably bad (or worse) hospitals exist. Fortunately, they have the opportunity to sort out their problems without being attacked in this way so will not face staff shortages or have to close their A&E departments.

Management is the key to this and managing the recovery from this sort of thing is very difficult, but it is possible - if the right people are allowed, and supported from above and below, to do the right things.

Hopefully the appropriate people will now be employed to try and recover the hospital as quickly as possible.

 

[Withnail]

Julie Bailey has caused far more damage than the hospital ever caused itself

Steady on old chap - i understand your position, but that is way over the top.

perhaps she should have approached the right channels instead of nationally making a mockery of the hospital.

I think perhaps you don't appreciate that this is exactly what she did but was stonewalled at every step.

Reputations can be rebuilt, but even the NHS can't bring the dead back to life.