Stafford Indoor Market Questionnaire

The Hawk

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Yes, I accept that free parking across the board could lead to significant problems with town centre workers / commuters, although many County Council workers did have free parking up until a year or two ago.

I think a combination of one or two ideas above would probably work; a pay on exit system that allows a short period of free parking (say up to 1 or 2 hours), a nominal charge (£1?) for, say, up to 4 hours, increasing incrementally thereafter.
 

Gareth

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Council staff have never had free parking. They were charged a cheaper rate which went up to £24 a month in the last year, which it still is.
 

Gas Engineers

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Survey Completed.

Move with the times but don’t destroy the Good Times

The heart of the market was destroyed years ago when the new Guildhall was built, the old market was fantastic with a huge range of stalls & people travelled to Stafford to attend the market.
I remember as a young girl opening up the big doors to the market & hearing the noise from people filling the old market hall, you couldn’t possibly walk around without being pushed about, we always arranged a meeting place should anyone of us get lost. You could buy almost anything, with stalls competing for trade, huge fantastic displays of fruit, veg, meat, fish, cheese all local produce, then there were all the other stalls selling anything from cotton, shoes, clothes, records... The market was a meeting place always bumping into someone you knew.

The big shops were already in town with Sainsbury’s across the road & Tesco’s down by Riverside these did not affect the markets trade.

Parking was an still an issue back then, we were all told to “watch out for any cars moving” to grab a space, there were some great parking war row’s which went on. But people still came into the town simply for the market.

I would suggest offering moves to some of the present shop owners in the Guildhall to some of the empty units & go back to the old ways of a market hall, or the market could easily be extended into the huge walkway's which are always empty. The only shop which draws people in now is the pound shop.

People still travel to attend a market, why do coach operators arrange tours ? It can compete against the online shopping & the likes of E.Bay, people still want to go out and knowing you can buy items at a good price and support a town can only be a good thing, people will then move from the market to other local shops who need the trade & then for something to eat.

Stafford is a Market Town & the County of Staffordshire yet we don't have a market. I agree with what Hawk has said "The future is much more than a few market stalls" however it is a start it is time to wake up & smell the coffee which is all you can smell around town together with the smell of beer from all the pubs.

I remember going back into the market when it was all modernised a quarter of the stalls remained, choice had gone and so had the atmosphere, the noise from people had gone the town lost it's heart when the market went & it has never returned, you need a heart to survive and we destroyed ours, we destroyed the ‘Good Times’.
 

Withnail

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What i'd like to see in the market, rather than another sandwichy type place, is an array of street-food type stalls as can be found throughout the non-western world selling freshly cooked tastiness. Most, if not all, the half-hour-lunch options in town are rubbish outlets supplying rubbish. A noodle bar type whatsit, selling cheap and goodly food, might draw in the students for a start, and that might introduce them to the fact that markets often offer better value for their meagre pennies.

Unfortunately the time i would most likely be able to take advantage of such would be when the market is closed - also i imagine there would be all sorts of barriers of a H&S, food inspectorate etc nature. And no, i'm not about to open one, because it is beyond my abilities - maybe you know a man/woman who might?
 

ben0239

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I agree with Withnail. I would love to see a food court within the Market offering hot lunches that could be enjoyed in less than half an hour. I was recently fortunate to visit Hawaii where there is a fabulous example of a food court selling amazing dishes from all around the world. In Stafford we are fortunate to have some excellent Curry houses and chinese establishments yet if you would like noodles at lunch time or an Indian lunch you cant. I therefore would love to see one of the Indian and Chinese restuarants set up a market stall where they could sell some lunch time meals. This would not only fill a gap in the market but it would also showcase the quality of food that they are able to produce which would be a great marketing tool. I am positive that if we can get some established restuarants in the town to seize this opportunity it would open the flood gates for other budding chefs/cooks to open similar food stalls within the market offering amazing dishes from all around the world.
This would also make my life a lot easier when trying to choose somewhere to lunch with my work colleagues as we can never decide what to eat and the choice in town is fairly limited.

Furthermore, I believe that a county town should be showcasing the county in which it serves and what it better way than doing this than by selling the amazing produce available in the area. (The Greengate Deli did this extremely well, which is why I was extremely saddened to see it go.) Tiggys bakery is a fine example that a stall selling locall produced food can strive. I would also love to see the local brewerys working together and opening a small beer emporium within the market. This would not only give greater exposure to the fantastic beers that they are producing, but it would also give them the ability to sell direct to the customer. Currently if you want beers such as those produced by Slaters brewery you can only buy 3 types at Tesco's unless you want to drive to the brewery. I was recently fortunate to have a tour of the brewery and sample some of the amazing beers, a lot of which you can not buy in the shops which is a real shame.
Here in Stafford we are surrounded by excellent brewerys such as Slaters, Joules, Lymestone and Freedom yet it is difficult to buy some of the beers that they are producing.
This stall could also be an opportunity for beer lovers to learn more about the beers being produced and would be away for the brewerys to sell more beer tours for example. On that note I would love to see a beer bus in Town. We are fortunate in town to have some fantastic pubs. I am constantly reminded by friends of mine who visit the town how fortunate we are to have so much choice of good pubs and beers rather than the generic pubs that dominate so many town centres yet it is impossible for us to get around all the pubs in one night (and trust me I have tried).

My last point is that I would also love to see the local students from the college and universty making use of the available stalls. We are often told that young people like the vocational expereince required for the workplace or the customer service skills to interact with people so lets give them more exposure to this why they are learning there craft. There are fabulous examples within Stafford college of students gaining business and vocational experience while learning such as in Earls restuarant. Why cant this be extended to other courses within the college such as fashion, woodwork etc. Rather than lecturers just asking students to design items to be marked etc, why can they not be encouraged to produce items that can also be sold to the local population.
 

Withnail

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My last point is that I would also love to see the local students from the college and university making use of the available stalls... There are fabulous examples within Stafford college of students gaining business and vocational experience while learning such as in Earls restaurant.
Exactly - these are the men/women, as well as the other 'restaurateurs' , i kind of had in mind.
Why cant this be extended to other courses within the college such as fashion, woodwork etc. Rather than lecturers just asking students to design items to be marked etc, why can they not be encouraged to produce items that can also be sold to the local population.
Whilst only thinking via my belly i hadn't thought of that - good point, well made.
 

Wormella

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That would be lovely actually - Bristol, Camden and a few other markets have all had excellent food areas, Swansea even has a stand up espresso bar - even Stoke market has a nice stall where you can grab an oat cake for pennies and Hanley has a very decent Hungarian cafe.
 

andy w

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Jeremy has re-ignited the Market debate - http://www.staffordshirenewsletter.co.uk/News/MP-spearheads-idea-of-moving-market-07122012.htm - with a suggestion of a move to where Marks and Spencer's is now, after they have vacated..
Although there is some logical thinking about moving the market to a more popular location, but as stated in the article the rent on the property will make it a non starter.
Ideally the market hall should either be moved within the Guild Hall or be revamped where it is with the outside of the building being redeveloped to have units facing outside. All this costs money and I can't see where the funding for a significant redevelopment will come from
 

tek-monkey

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I'm pretty sure they used to, but not for a while now. The place where the white elephant is now used to be a council car park and I'm sure a mate of mine had subsidised parking on that until it got redeveloped too.
 

Withnail

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I also wonder when council workers ever had free parking??
Don't know about County Council, but Borough Council still do. At least i know of one who does - and he is hardly a top-level employee so one can only presume it is provided for all.

He can only park for free in the bit by Sainsburys (the one that floods), and before that in the top level (or maybe top two levels?) of the Multi-Story by the river.

So, that Market then...
 
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