Stoke paranoid about the rise of Stafford

Miss Red

Miss Red

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dont think stoke have much too worry about - hanley shopping center and their market is brill - not much good pulling workers in when they have no shops to shop in, as is the case in stafford at the min. Even that gorgeous basque stall in the market has gone and is a plant stall ffs :ohno:
 
John Marwood

John Marwood

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Clayheads aside - it is stupid to eat yet further into the countryside when so many other sites are brownfield and vacant

I remember Instaffs or whatever the quango was called saying how the now giant empty sheds that you can see from the Shire Horse would be a massive jobs boost to the town

My arsse

Basically Its a couple of car showrooms with a few Scottish people, a hotel with half a dozen cleaners, and sheds with drivers from across the country

Screwfix it!
 
Sk84goal

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“then Stafford could just object to the Hanley plans for the very same reason.....”

No I believe the objection is about developing greenfield sites over brownfield ones.

A difficult one this, My first reaction as a Stafford lad is to tell them to get stuffed! But I also believe that brownfield sites should always be developed first. The continual use of greenfield sites creates the problems of urban sprawl with the corresponding decay of the old industrial areas leading to an increase in anti-social behaviour and increase in social deprivation. Have we no suitable brownfield sites within the Stafford borough? This should be the first question.
 
tek-monkey

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Loads I suspect, costs more to demolish a derelict building than to dig up a field though. Plus we have a **** transport network, making a lot of the places nearer to town unnatractive.
 
Sk84goal

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"costs more to demolish a derelict building than to dig up a field though"
You've hit the problem on the head! Whilst we give the developers the choice between a greenfield next to the motorway and a brownfield site that needs clearing guess which one they will choose.
 
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Hetairoi

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This is where the new Morrisons should have been built not in the middle of town where the traffic congestion will mean that people won't even try to venture into town.

This is a fantastic oppourtunity for Stafford to move forward and attract some quality jobs to the area.

There are brownfield sites available but the road access to them is dreadful so companies won't look at them.
 
John Marwood

John Marwood

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Hetairoi said:
This is where the new Morrisons should have been built not in the middle of town where the traffic congestion will mean that people won't even try to venture into town.

This is a fantastic oppourtunity for Stafford to move forward and attract some quality jobs to the area.

There are brownfield sites available but the road access to them is dreadful so companies won't look at them.
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Nonsense

This is where a field should be

Those that bleat about traffic clearly have never lived in London and driven

Keep the green space as wide as you can between here and the 1920's that is The Potteries
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Gotta agree, keep it a field if sites are available elsewhere. If they aren't, do we need it? Not been on the tech park recently, whats its occupancy like?
 
henryscat

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Hetairoi said:
This is where the new Morrisons should have been built not in the middle of town where the traffic congestion will mean that people won't even try to venture into town.
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Congestion (which isn't all that bad) doesn't put people off shopping. Ventura Park in Tamworth on a Saturday proves that.....
 
henryscat

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tek-monkey said:
Loads I suspect, costs more to demolish a derelict building than to dig up a field though.
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Decontaminating land is often the other thing developers don't like with brownfield sites

Plus we have a **** transport network, making a lot of the places nearer to town unnatractive.
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Actually, how many towns the size of Stafford are so well connected as Stafford? We have the M6, with two junctions and the town centre is on a major junction of the West Coast Main Line giving us fast services to London, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and towns the length of the Trent Valley. All of that is a pretty good selling point.

If you've ever lived in a big city then driving in Stafford is a piece of cake.
 
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Hetairoi

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henryscat said:
If you've ever lived in a big city then driving in Stafford is a piece of cake.
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Not if you are living up the Newport Road or in Doxey due to Tesco and Sainsbury's.

Now it is going to be as bad going the other way with Asda, Morrison's, St George's and the new M&S development.
 
proactive

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Hetairoi said:
Not if you are living up the Newport Road or in Doxey due to Tesco and Sainsbury's.
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I agree that Tesco has not helped the traffic at all due to some pretty catastrophic road and traffic light management, but it could be much worse as anyone who drives regularly in Wolverhampton, Walsall, Stoke, Derby, Nottingham etc etc etc would be able to confirm.

Sainsbury's could be sorted quite a bit by fitting pedestrian sensors to the crossings along Chell Road so that they only operate if someone is actually waiting to cross. In fact that would aid the flow of traffic across the town if said sensors were fitted at all suitable crossings.

Then put the Queensway back to having proper roundabouts (traffic always flows easier there when the lights fail) and a camera at the junction from Asda to The Island to catch all the idiots who stop on the yellow hatching.

Finally put in a roundabout at the Riverway/Lichfield Road junction (you'd need to buy a bit of land off Lloyds Bank I suppose) and hey presto 80% of the towns traffic problems would be resolved.

Except when there's a prang on the M6... But there isn't a cost effective way to deal with that. Although it's awful when traffic grinds to a halt as a result, how many days a year does it really impact on us.
 
gon2seed

gon2seed

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The words of my father come back to me! "I tell you, them fields will be concreted over from here to Stone, mark my words. I didn't buy a house here to live in the middle of an estate!". We lived in Crab Lane; Parkside has expanded, Junction 13 and the Brooms Lane industrial estates in Stone, have been built"!:lorks: Now this!:ohno: Where will it end, when it is all covered in asphalt:help: ?



:strange:(Hand on retard, his profecy started after they moved in in the early 60's and Parkside wasn't built. It continued till you were in your teens and you are now 49! Your dad died 10 yrs ago and only now are they looking at an expansion of J'13. Having pointed that out, 'O' cognatively challenged one; I do agree that, if possible, Green Belt should be sacrosanct, and your mum who still lives in Crab Lane wouldn't like to see any expansion, particularly if it was across the other side of the A34!:ohno:)
 
United57

United57

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Green Belt it looks like we are using it up but on further examination the decrease in green belt land is due to better digital mapping. Also some areas that were debatable are now out of the figures. Green belt is only 13 % of land. Supplied by wikipedia


Year Area (hectares)
2003 1,671,580
2004 1,678,190
2006 1,631,830
2007 1,635,670
2008/09 1,639,650
2009/101,639,560
 
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