Support Stafford Hospital

[RowanDraper]

You still don't get it do you

Deciding you are the Peoples' Front of Judea or The Judean Peoples' Front won't achieve a thing
Preaching to the converted feels like a guilt trip
If 'you' collectively really believe you can bring about change go and get the one person who can
She is the only one decision makers fear
Otherwise you will just look like every other bleeding hart good cause with their 12 second clip on Midlands Today

I can't personally say that the reaction I want our campaign to elicit in decision makers is fear.

I want them to understand and recognise that the long-term sustainability of the Hospital is of urgent consequence as we face growth within our population from MoD assignment and natural development over the next two decades.

I want them to be persuaded that the right thing to do is listen to local people and make acute care services work for Stafford and its catchment area.

I want them to know that we support our hard-working staff at the Hospital and that we realise for the wider health economy we need Stafford Hospital and acute care services, and so does everyone around us.

If that had to be achieved by retribution in the public domain, or the fear of it, I would be very sad indeed.


Update

If you would like to be involved with the campaign and volunteer please go to our site:
http://www.supportstaffordhospital.co.uk

 

[RowanDraper]

I don't think that they can get past the "julie is the whistleblower who has caused all this" attitude and sadly cannot realise that working together is the only way to secure the best hospital we can get with the right mix of services and the highest quality of staff who are able to do their jobs with adequate training,resources and compassion.

Whilst I realise I may be pilloried for writing this, I do think it needs to be said:

Julie is not, and has never been, a whistle blower.

Whistleblowing is when a worker reports suspected wrongdoing at work, also called 'making a disclosure in the public interest', and pertains to health and safety at risk, environmental damage, a criminal offence, obeyance of the law and covering up wrongdoing. (Source)

It is not right to attach the whistle blower status to someone who didn't work at the organisation. For me: it demeans the status of whistle-blowing and if we want people to make disclosures in the public interest (as I do) then we should be very careful who we call a whistle-blower.

She brought attention to deficincies in care standards, and supported others to bring complaints about the quality of care patients and their relatives received, forcing Members of Parliament and civil servants to take note and to provide two inquiries under Robert Francis. She has written a book about the experience she's had campaigning about the quality of care delivered in Stafford Hospital. She continues to campaign for right first time and zero harm initiatives within the NHS. She has been a fierce and ardent campaigner championing her group's objectives, bringing the debate about compassion and care in the NHS to international attention, perhaps unlike any campaigner that my generation (and the previous one or two) has seen since the early 1900s and she should be acknowleded thusly.

Also: I am happy to work with anyone who supports the NHS and wants to see Stafford Hospital and its acute services protected. I am not in favour of closing the Hospital down.

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

Whilst I realise I may be pilloried for writing this, I do think it needs to be said:

Julie is not, and has never been, a whistle blower.

Whistleblowing is when a worker reports suspected wrongdoing at work, also called 'making a disclosure in the public interest', and pertains to health and safety at risk, environmental damage, a criminal offence, obeyance of the law and covering up wrongdoing. (Source)

It is not right to attach the whistle blower status to someone who didn't work at the organisation. For me: it demeans the status of whistle-blowing and if we want people to make disclosures in the public interest (as I do) then we should be very careful who we call a whistle-blower.

She brought attention to deficincies in care standards, and supported others to bring complaints about the quality of care patients and their relatives received, forcing Members of Parliament and civil servants to take note and to provide two inquiries under Robert Francis. She has written a book about the experience she's had campaigning about the quality of care delivered in Stafford Hospital. She continues to campaign for right first time and zero harm initiatives within the NHS. She has been a fierce and ardent campaigner championing her group's objectives, bringing the debate about compassion and care in the NHS to international attention, perhaps unlike any campaigner that my generation (and the previous one or two) has seen since the early 1900s and she should be acknowleded thusly.

Also: I am happy to work with anyone who supports the NHS and wants to see Stafford Hospital and its acute services protected. I am not in favour of closing the Hospital down.

I think you are engaging in semantics to be honest. Whether you call Julie's actions whistleblowing or not really matters not and I don't at all follow your argument that it somehow "demeans the status" Those working within the system at the time felt unable or unwilling to raise the alarm, it has been repeated above that perhaps this isn't the thread to engage in blame but the Francis Report was pretty clear that there was a culture of "turning the other cheek"
Julie exposed this and we should be hugely grateful. Without her who knows what would still be going on.

As this is a "Support Stafford Hospital" thread I believe it is right to raise Julie as probably the biggest supporter of the hospital of all. She supported the rights of patients not the interests of Political Parties (take a look in the mirror), failed regulators, cost cutting, foundation trust chasing mercenaries.

I guess we losely refer to "Whistle blowing" in the same way as Gordon Brown losely refered to ending boom and bust or giving the Nation sustained economic growth.

It is clear that you don't want the hospital closed down, neither do I, neither do most people but perhaps unlike you I don't want a hospital at all costs. If it isn't safe and can't function properly then I would rather it didn't endanger any more people.

 

[joshua]

Quite right Rowan, it was posted way too early and whats left of my brain was not fully engaged.
I apologise if any offence was taken.

 

[Gareth]

I think that is part of the culture now. Stafford, while it still has work to do is still been attached to the issues of 2005 -2009, the hard and good work done (which considering the mess it was in is probabley more than any hospital in the country) is being undone by the press and fall out of the final report, meaning it is coming across that Stafford is still in that state.
Stafford has again got another clean bill of health by CSC (see other thread) as the commission took on an unannounced inspection whihc they rarely do.

 

[Zylo]

Yet we continue to hear bad things about it all the time, (or apparently) without any proof mind you, as always.

(The current hospital not in the past, but the present)

 

[supportstaffordhospital]

Cheryl Porter from Support Stafford Hospital has been designated as coordinator for generating attendance for the forthcoming March on the 20th April. Cheryl needs as much help/support/volunteers as possible to make this a massive show of Support for services to be retained at OUR hospital. I now its short notice but if you can help in anyway could you please attend a meeting on Monday 18th March 5.30pm onwards.
The Morris Man pub have kindly given us use of a room, Alliss Close Stafford, ST16 3LA. (off Weston Road) If you want to contact Cheryl email ctmporter@gmail.com and she will give you her direct contact number if you have any questions or can not attend but want to help

 

[peggy]

 

[flossietoo]

Extended interview with Julie Bailey just broadcast on Five Live, probably available on iplayer later.

The subject of the campaign to save the hospital does come up in that interview, which is worth hearing.

 

[peggy]

taken from support stafford hospital face book page

"Support Stafford Hospital Shop opens at 10am on Tuesday 26th March (this Tuesday) in the Guildhall Shopping Centre. Everyone is invited to be there for the opening, as the newspapers will be there it would great to see a few faces. Spread the word and pop in for leaflets, poster, T-shirts....."

 

[joshua]

Extended interview with Julie Bailey just broadcast on Five Live, probably available on iplayer later.

The subject of the campaign to save the hospital does come up in that interview, which is worth hearing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p016sf3l

 

[peggy]

Support Stafford hospital shop is open today in the Guildhall.

 

[db]

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Support Stafford hospital shop is open today in the Guildhall.

if anyone is able to post photos of this as time goes by, to let us know what sort of support/attendance it attracts, i'd love to see

what sort of thing is going to go on inside?

 

[db]

is that a certain stafford forumite i just saw in the top-left corner of my tellybox, on a midlands today feature about the Support Stafford Hospital campaign?

 

[peggy]

 

[db]

indeed.. we're forever hearing stories about other hospitals (they still haven't found that person at stepping hill who was bumping people off, afaik, for example) but they are fleeting - a single news clip, and that's the end of it.. but stafford has become a scapegoat, and the media/the man/the illuminati/whoever seem to be doing a damn good job of making sure that it never leaves the headlines - despite worse things happening at other hospitals, it always falls back to stafford and how "terrible" it is..

one can't help but feel that the current government is using this opportunity to use said scapegoat as "evidence" to help them begin to dismantle the NHS..

 

[proactive]

indeed.. we're forever hearing stories about other hospitals (they still haven't found that person at stepping hill who was bumping people off, afaik, for example) but they are fleeting - a single news clip, and that's the end of it.. but stafford has become a scapegoat, and the media/the man/the illuminati/whoever seem to be doing a damn good job of making sure that it never leaves the headlines - despite worse things happening at other hospitals, it always falls back to stafford and how "terrible" it is..

one can't help but feel that the current government is using this opportunity to use said scapegoat as "evidence" to help them begin to dismantle the NHS..

These things shouldn't be happening in any hospitals, Stafford or otherwise.

There is something very wrong in certain areas at the heart of the culture of the NHS.

 

[db]

These things shouldn't be happening in any hospitals, Stafford or otherwise.

There is something very wrong in certain areas at the heart of the culture of the NHS.

i agree entirely, hence why we're at where we are now - the point i was making is that stafford hospital has become a "figurehead" for these failures, and the media/tories are using it as leverage to allow them to dismantle the NHS..

we suffer in the short term because we lose our hospital, and everyone suffers in the long-term because we're going to lose the NHS..

as i say, the point i was making is that much worse goes on at hospitals up and down the country on a regular basis, but it gets brushed under the carpet fairly quickly.. stafford hospital has become a scapegoat, the villain of the NHS, and we should (dragging this back on-topic) support stafford hospital in every way we can by focussing on the improvements it has made and the good work that it does..

just because the NHS is broken doesn't mean people should keep shitting on our hospital..

 

[staffordjas]

Not the sort of thing I normally do, but I am hoping to go along and give my support on 20th April and will call into the Support Stafford Hospital Unit when next in town.

Hubby's life was saved by the fantastic staff on the Acute Cardiac Unit in Stafford Hospital a few months ago and he is due back in for another op in the very near future.

 

[proactive]

i agree entirely, hence why we're at where we are now - the point i was making is that stafford hospital has become a "figurehead" for these failures, and the media/tories are using it as leverage to allow them to dismantle the NHS..

we suffer in the short term because we lose our hospital, and everyone suffers in the long-term because we're going to lose the NHS..

as i say, the point i was making is that much worse goes on at hospitals up and down the country on a regular basis, but it gets brushed under the carpet fairly quickly.. stafford hospital has become a scapegoat, the villain of the NHS, and we should (dragging this back on-topic) support stafford hospital in every way we can by focussing on the improvements it has made and the good work that it does..

just because the NHS is broken doesn't mean people should keep shitting on our hospital..

I obviously didn't express myself properly because I was agreeing with you