the Lunar Scorpion and her ongoing struggle

[Gramaisc]

When I was on the dole - many years ago - there were two jobs up on the board in the Greyfriars Jobcentre. They were for people to apply colours to pottery items by using absorbant material and then pressing the colours through stencilled patterns. The job title was "Sponger" - honest! I tried to point out the potential for confusion that could arise, but I didn't get much response. Perhaps it was a double bluff to catch us out.

I swear this is true. It was like something out of an episode of Shelley. Who remembers that?

 

[damonhoppe]

With regards to the comments "that damonhoppe is either LS, one of LS's friends, someone really stupid (no offence meant) or just someone seriously trolling." is just a foolish effort to undermine the truth of the situation.

I remind you that I was not the one who used the term 'benifit sponger' or 'benifit scrounger' which left me with the impression you are all right wing and look on the sick and poor as a burden. If you used the correct term 'benifit fraudster' then I would not of bothered posting anything!

I am therefore niether stupid, trolling or impersonating anyone when I am disabusing this thread.

 

[My Name is URL]

Well I am much relieved to hear that despite your rhetoric the majority of you don't have a problem with unemployed people.

If thats your way of apologising for going off the deep end on everyone for what you perceived were extreme views when really it was just that you hadn't read enough on here to understand properly what we were all about, then apology accepted.

As for "choosing ones words more carefully" - if you had read a few of the other threads on here before diving in, you would have known what we were talking about.... never mind, blame the government for their definition of spongers what they say is always gosppel

It is worth noting that the most recent figures for this type of fraud have it below 0.5%

Hmmm wonder who has been massaging those figures... was it a government survey, "are you illegally claiming benefits"....

To qoute David Freud “This report makes a series of recommendations to reduce the number of the most socially disadvantaged people in the country [on benefits]. The proposals aim to achieve this outcome at minimal effective cost and risk to the State.†[1]

Why wouldn't the govt want to reduce the number of people on benefits at minimal cost... about time they did, they should run more like a business and not a charity

The first avenue of attack has been to take medical critera out of the equation when it comes to sickness benifit. Wealthy investment banker David Freud, who is behind the proposals, states ‘it's ludicrous that the disability tests are done by people's own GPs' who put the medical interests of their patients first, counter to the interests of the state!

I agree with him on this too. Its far too easy to "pull the wool" over the eyes of busy GP's with insufficient resources when they may live on the same street as you.

This leaves people economically disadvantaged as most employers will employ an able bodied/childless person rather than take on the extra complications of some one who may be sick or need time/support for their children.

As you will well know, this would be illegal. End of story.

What people need in additon to financial support they wish to remove is.
1) Help in looking for and finding work.
2) Help with CV's, applications forms and interviews
2) Support whislt they are in work.
3) Oblige employers to make changes in the working enviornment and conditions so that sick and disabled people can work.
4) Oblige employers to be more flexible in their treatment of sick and disabled. i.e. P/T work and flexi-hours rather than sacking them for incapaicty.
5) A living wage for everyone!
6) Adopt the working time directive.
7) Incorpoation of Human Rights into UK law to stop people being deprived of legimate benifits.

I think you are missing the point here, blaming the employers for everything is great, but LS has openly admitted that she would not do a job unless it was something she wanted to do and would rather stay on benefits.... to try and defend this is disgusting. You keep blaming the government and the employers and the bus drivers and santa though

Futher I might ask how many of you have taken out private insurance?

Not sure what sort of insurance you mean here, but rest assured, I work my arse off 5 days a week, so does my other half and we save hard to cover ourselves for all posibilities

 

[My Name is URL]

Should just add that I have just searched the thread and the first person to use the word "sponger" on the thread was yourself damonhoppe

I will admit that I was the first person to use the word "scrounger" in the sense of benefit scrounger but in the context of the posts I used it in, in the context of the thread as a whole and IMHO the way the majority of the public understand it, I believe it was clear what I meant.

 

[Gramaisc]

So, nobody does remember Shelley then? It starred Hywel Bennett ( if I've spelt that correctly ) and was about a chap who just couldn't find the "right job" and was lounging about on the dole waiting for it to come along. Once Thatcher threw three million others on the pile the fun went out of it.

I was hoping that I had been the last person to use the word "sponger" but apparently not.

 

[MyCult]

With regards to the comments "that damonhoppe is either LS, one of LS's friends, or just someone seriously trolling." is just a foolish effort to undermine the truth of the situation.

That was an attempt to lighten the thread, de-personalise it, simmilar attempts have been made.

Lunar's view is radically different from most on this forum, so when a discussion starts it can quite quickly seem that everyone is ganging up on her, this isn't the case.

Check the post on this thread made by the Admin of the forum.

I'm glad you're posting Damon Hoppe. The discussion might not be as one-sided as it has been with only Lunar. But as for your current status of G00N I think Lunar would be you're retainer.

Welcome to the Forum.

 

[MyCult]

So, nobody does remember Shelley then? It starred Hywel Bennett ( if I've spelt that correctly ) and was about a chap who just couldn't find the "right job" and was lounging about on the dole waiting for it to come along. Once Thatcher threw three million others on the pile the fun went out of it.

I was hoping that I had been the last person to use the word "sponger" but apparently not.

Shelley, It starred Hywel Bennett

 

[Gramaisc]

So, nobody does remember Shelley then? It starred Hywel Bennett ( if I've spelt that correctly ) and was about a chap who just couldn't find the "right job" and was lounging about on the dole waiting for it to come along. Once Thatcher threw three million others on the pile the fun went out of it.

I was hoping that I had been the last person to use the word "sponger" but apparently not.

Shelley, It starred Hywel Bennett

I've just had a very productive half hour there. Some classic lines. Ta.

 

[Wookie]

When I was on the dole - many years ago - there were two jobs up on the board in the Greyfriars Jobcentre. They were for people to apply colours to pottery items by using absorbant material and then pressing the colours through stencilled patterns. The job title was "Sponger" - honest! I tried to point out the potential for confusion that could arise, but I didn't get much response. Perhaps it was a double bluff to catch us out.

I swear this is true. It was like something out of an episode of Shelley. Who remembers that?

<britcom geek mode=on> Me, sir! Me! Me!
I think I only ever got to see a couple of episodes, though; the one where he goes through immigration and and has to make himself look like his passport photo by ruffling his hair up and squinting, and the one where his estate agent landlord gets sacked and has to go to the jobcentre: "Look, they've put £100 a week when they mean a day, ha ha!"
Sorry it's taken this long to reply; this is what happens when you work in ecommerce at Christmas...

 

[damonhoppe]

I retract my earlier apology as it appears I was mistaken some of you definelty do mean people who are sick and disabled..grrr....

 

[db]

I retract my earlier apology as it appears I was mistaken some of you definelty do mean people who are sick and disabled..grrr....

look, i know you're used to arguing points that are flimsy, irrelevant and poorly researched as a member of the green party, but it really wouldn't hurt if you actually read the thread and understood it before replying.. you're just making yourself look daft..

if you need an example, i point you towards gk141054's earlier post where he highlighted that the word "sponger" had not been used a single time until you came along and started accusing people of throwing the term around..

and your analogy to Metropolis is hugely flawed.. if anything, we are the workers, not the oblivious, affluent upper-classes living in decadence.. it is exactly because we toil day in and day out that we are aggrieved at lunar's inability to grasp that she is not ill, but deliberating making herself a shut-in to avoid having to work..

 

[MyCult]

<troll>

I was mistaken for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I EAT SICK AND DISABLED PEOPLE with caviar while gallivanting around on my yacht (made from the bones and skin of the poor) on my own private lake I had filled with the tears of underprivileged children.

</troll>

*edit removed the name calling

 

[Toble]

look, i know you're used to arguing points that are flimsy, irrelevant and poorly researched as a member of the green party

Quote of the day!

 

[Gramaisc]

I EAT SICK AND DISABLED PEOPLE with caviar while gallivanting around on my yacht (made from the bones and skin of the poor) on my own private lake I had filled with the tears of underprivileged children.

This is just so wrong. Eating sick people is a bad idea. Stick to the disabled and be sure they are piping hot and cooked right through. I have heard it said that the forearm of a woman is the choice cut. And, of course, this could all be locally sourced, too.

 

[MyCult]

And, of course, this could all be locally sourced, too.

Duly noted. I'll stick to locally sourced produce from now on.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

look, i know you're used to arguing points that are flimsy, irrelevant and poorly researched as a member of the green party

What has this got to do with party politics?

 

[db]

look, i know you're used to arguing points that are flimsy, irrelevant and poorly researched as a member of the green party

What has this got to do with party politics?

i think my point was pretty clear; everyone else seemed to get it.. just in case you're having an off day, i'll rearrange the words so that it's easier for you:

members of the green party spend their life arguing flimsy, irrelevant and poorly researched points.. damonhoppe is exhibiting that behaviour in this thread.. i was advising him to leave this poor debating technique at the door if he wants anyone to take him seriously and actually consider his points as sound, rather than the rantings of a blinkered activist who thinks the whole world is a right-wing conspiracy out to get him..

 

[damonhoppe]

The typical strategy of the right-wing being unable to put a coherent argument together attack the person with juvenille remarks.

If someone points out your facts are wrong you then claim you are talking about a specific person (LS) and yet then proceed to declare that any other person who is sick and disabled is faking it and therefore we should dismantle the welfare state!

Suddenly your all medical experts and have decieded certain catergories of people are NOT really ill despite expert medical opinion! Being sick or disabled is not a lifestyle choice is is something that can happen to anybody.

I found the references to someone (and it was not LS) who has 'dizzy spells' as not being sick particularly offensive.

I know personally of least two people who are suffering from this condition. One of them fainted in the middle of a sentance and had a fit injurying herself and I had to call an ambulance.

As a result of her condition she cant even drive but has been turned down for jobs becasue she does not have a car. Surely this is no reason to turn someone down for a job as she could use a taxi! We all know the real reason which you refused to accept - discrimination!

What about giving people an opportunity to work rather than sentancing them to long term unemployment? Is that really to much to ask? Obvioulsy it is!

 

[tek-monkey]

The typical strategy of the right-wing being unable to put a coherent argument together attack the person with juvenille remarks.

If someone points out your facts are wrong you then claim you are talking about a specific person (LS) and yet then proceed to declare that any other person who is sick and disabled is faking it and therefore we should dismantle the welfare state!

Who thinks we should dismantle the welfare state? Who thinks all disabled people are faking it?

Suddenly your all medical experts and have decieded certain catergories of people are NOT really ill despite expert medical opinion! Being sick or disabled is not a lifestyle choice is is something that can happen to anybody.

My step sis is deaf and half blind, pretty sure she's legit. There are a lot of, to use your choice of words, spongers though.

I found the references to someone (and it was not LS) who has 'dizzy spells' as not being sick particularly offensive.

You should meet him. He won't work, spends his days working out how to get more money from the state. He was fine til he moved in with his missus, then suddenly was too ill to work and tried to claim carers allowance for her so she doesn't need to work. He has no plans on working, its obvious. Besides, anyone that ill shouldn't get pissed all the time as surely if they can't balance sober what hope do they have when drunk? I have seen this man function quite happily every time I see him, he's not sick.

I know personally of least two people who are suffering from this condition. One of them fainted in the middle of a sentance and had a fit injurying herself and I had to call an ambulance.

Bad luck to them. Again though, I didn't say all people are faking it, I said some. Its not rocket science to see that thousands of people falsley claim benefits is it?

As a result of her condition she cant even drive but has been turned down for jobs becasue she does not have a car. Surely this is no reason to turn someone down for a job as she could use a taxi! We all know the real reason which you refused to accept - discrimination!

I find this hard to believe, unless the jobs themselves involved driving rather than just getting to them. In which case I can't have them either, these things happen! My mum gets dizzy spells, some days can't drive. Still sticks out a job though, just has to have the odd day off when its bad.

What about giving people an opportunity to work rather than sentancing them to long term unemployment? Is that really to much to ask? Obvioulsy it is!

What? People here want people to work, not be unemployed. Do you actually listen? I don't think there's a person on this forum that doesn't want people to work, is there? Its those who won't work that are the problem. How many times do we need to go over this? Or is this a typical strategy of the far left, keep hammering on at one thing regardless of whether its the real issue being discussed until everyone gets bored and sods off?

 

[Alan B'Stard]

members of the green party spend their life arguing flimsy, irrelevant and poorly researched points...

Whoa! that's a pretty sweeping generalization!

I'll offer one myself in return.

I think you'll find that members of Political Parties are reasonably well informed, relevant and better researched than the average Joe Bloggs due to the very political activity and literature that goes with Party membership (unless your membership is SWP or BNP)