The return of speed cameras.

Noah

Well-Known Forumite
Staffordshire Police are installing new digital speed cameras. The initial batch of 20 are being installed now. They will not be using the old yellow boxes, if the ones being installed in Devon & Cornwall are anything to go by they are small boxes on top of a pole the top half of which is painted yellow. No dragon's teeth or any other road markings. Being installed in places where there is a speeding problem.
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Photo ex Devon & Cornwall Police
 

joshua

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Work is due to start next week on upgrades to fixed speed cameras at several locations in Staffordshire to improve road safety.
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The initial phase, which relates to 20 cameras and will take several weeks to complete, will see digital equipment replace the current fixed safety cameras, making it quicker to capture and receive images of those who travel above the relevant speed limit.
The sites included in the initial phase have been selected based on long-term data which confirms that the cameras have been very effective in reducing road traffic collisions.
The new technology, funded by the Staffordshire Safer Roads Partnership, uses a radar device to accurately measure the speed of each vehicle that passes the camera. The cameras will automatically send high quality images of any vehicles exceeding the speed limit to the partnership’s enforcement team where they will be verified and used as evidence for a road traffic offense.
One of the improvements of the new technology is that it doesn’t require lines to be painted on the road. Instead, a secondary check is undertaken using a digitally applied line on the offence images. This will improve the efficiency of the secondary check which ensures only valid offenses are progressed.
Inspector Mark Joynson, of the force’s Roads Policing Unit, said: “Speed limits are really important for road safety as the speed a vehicle travels at is a major contributor to the outcome if someone is involved in a road traffic collision.
“The installation of the new technology will make it easier to check speeds across Staffordshire and we hope they will provide a visual reminder of the work we do every day to keep all road users as safe as possible.”
Deputy Staffordshire Commissioner for Police, Fire & Rescue and Crime, Helen Fisher, co-Chairs the Staffordshire Safer Roads Partnership alongside Staffordshire Commissioner Ben Adams.
Helen said: “Keeping Staffordshire’s roads safe is a key priority for myself and the Commissioner.
“Sadly, too many people continue to die or suffer serious injuries on our roads, with devastating consequences for their families, friends and communities.
“Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents, and an ongoing concern for many of our communities. This investment in new technology will make it easier to identify those breaking the law and help to reduce road accidents.”
The image shows two photographs taken a set time apart with the overlaid digital red line markings. The red box in the second image shows where the rear tyre of the car is expected to be if the calculated speed of 35mph is correct.
The SSRP aims to achieve a long-term, sustained reduction in road traffic collisions through joint work by partners including Staffordshire Police, Staffordshire Fire & Rescue Service, Stoke-on-Trent City Council, Staffordshire County Council and National Highways.
 

kyoto49

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These are a horror for drivers unfamiliar with a location. We were in Devon this last summer where these had just been installed. Unfamiliar with the town I assumed the dual carriageway bypass was a 40mph zone. We went past these new cameras 6 times and neither myself or my front seat passenger saw them as they are very high and on a narrow pole so easily lost in trees and the plethora of street furniture, especially if you aren't sure where you are going and are watching direction signs and trying to be in the correct lane.

Anyways, I came home from holiday assuming I'd get 6 speeding tickets as the bypass turned out to be a 30 zone. Given that speed camera signs rarely indicate a fixed camera nowadays I hadn't initially assumed there was a camera and never saw a gatso!

Lots of lessons learnt for myself and as a driver who doesn't knowingly speed in urban areas a bit of a wake up call for the vagaries of random speed limits. 30 on a dual carriageway seems odd to me even today!

So a couple of things that migh help....

These are bidirectional, they can get you coming or going!

They are on a very high thin pole so you have to physically look very high to spot them. The pole isn't yellow, only the small camera.

There is no indication on the road or at street level

Fortunately I learnt on return from holiday that the ones we'd passed had been in test and went live the Monday after we returned so my licence escaped unscathed! Deffo a wakeup call for driving in unfamiliar places that's for sure.

If anyone spots any locally please let us know!
 

Cue

Well-Known Forumite
Yeah… complain about poor speed signage, not the thing to stop you speeding
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
Staffordshire Police are installing new digital speed cameras. The initial batch of 20 are being installed now. They will not be using the old yellow boxes, if the ones being installed in Devon & Cornwall are anything to go by they are small boxes on top of a pole the top half of which is painted yellow. No dragon's teeth or any other road markings. Being installed in places where there is a speeding problem.
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Photo ex Devon & Cornwall Police
Maybe put all 20 on Martin Drive ? Should recoup the cost in day......
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
These are a horror for drivers unfamiliar with a location. We were in Devon this last summer where these had just been installed. Unfamiliar with the town I assumed the dual carriageway bypass was a 40mph zone. We went past these new cameras 6 times and neither myself or my front seat passenger saw them as they are very high and on a narrow pole so easily lost in trees and the plethora of street furniture, especially if you aren't sure where you are going and are watching direction signs and trying to be in the correct lane.

Anyways, I came home from holiday assuming I'd get 6 speeding tickets as the bypass turned out to be a 30 zone. Given that speed camera signs rarely indicate a fixed camera nowadays I hadn't initially assumed there was a camera and never saw a gatso!

Lots of lessons learnt for myself and as a driver who doesn't knowingly speed in urban areas a bit of a wake up call for the vagaries of random speed limits. 30 on a dual carriageway seems odd to me even today!

So a couple of things that migh help....

These are bidirectional, they can get you coming or going!

They are on a very high thin pole so you have to physically look very high to spot them. The pole isn't yellow, only the small camera.

There is no indication on the road or at street level

Fortunately I learnt on return from holiday that the ones we'd passed had been in test and went live the Monday after we returned so my licence escaped unscathed! Deffo a wakeup call for driving in unfamiliar places that's for sure.

If anyone spots any locally please let us know!
Not knowing the speed limit of the road you are on should never be used as a defence, as you open yourself up to an accusation of driving without due care and attention.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Not knowing the speed limit of the road you are on should never be used as a defence, as you open yourself up to an accusation of driving without due care and attention.
Here's one I asked my driving instructor, in Wales we passed a place that had 2 speed signs, a 30 and a 40. One was painted on the road, the other on a physical sign, which takes precedence?

I slowed to the lowest anyway, but is contradictory signage a defence?
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Here's one I asked my driving instructor, in Wales we passed a place that had 2 speed signs, a 30 and a 40. One was painted on the road, the other on a physical sign, which takes precedence?

I slowed to the lowest anyway, but is contradictory signage a defence?
Some seem intended to be confusing - these 30mph signs at Grindley Brook near Whitchurch, are advisory, the actual speed limit through there, as seen on the signs further along, is 40mph. The circular signs are the real ones. In general, though, advisory signs will indicate lower speeds than the actual limit. It seems pointless and wasteful - if 30 is the maximum safe speed, then that should surely be the limit?

Long stretches of the A55 used to have streetlights, but no repeaters to raise the limit above 30mph as a consequence, yet it was clear that the cops regarded it as a true 'national limit zone'.
 

kyoto49

Well-Known Forumite
These sorts of revenue raisers are already in action on the M6.
But do nothing to stop the middle lane morons or overtaking lane hoggers staying in the outside lanes. Speed alone is rarely the issue, it's sh*te driving that's the issue and in my year of having to commute 2 hours a day down the M6 I have yet to see either a police car or highways agency vehicle :(. The lack of lane discipline and general lack of driving skills in many is a far bigger issue than speeding.
 

Noah

Well-Known Forumite
Exeter used to be a deliberate trap, coming off the motorway there were no speed limit signs at all, people were expected to calculate that the street lamps were less than 20 metres apart so that there was a 30mph speed limit.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Exeter used to be a deliberate trap, coming off the motorway there were no speed limit signs at all, people were expected to calculate that the street lamps were less than 20 metres apart so that there was a 30mph speed limit.
I think the distance is still 200 yards to generate an automatic 30 limit.

I have seen it stated that it's 183 metres in England & Wales, but 185 metres in Scotland...

There are streetlights around with 'Not In Use' signs on them - I wonder if they still count?
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Sorry, I meant 200 metres but will accept that it is 200 yards.
It is a completely impractical arrangement. If there are two lampposts 201 yards apart, but not visible from each other, you are presumably, expected to drop to 30mph until you have verified the distance to the next lamppost, but you are then left in doubt that there might be another in the distance, but only 199 yards away...

Ad infinitum.
 

PeterD

ST16 Represent.
I was also in Devon and agree with @kyoto49 regarding the poor signage, for me it was between Torquay and Brixham and I think if there hadn't been roadworks they would have got me. But I get it, ivory towers again, people like to have a go.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
I was also in Devon and agree with @kyoto49 regarding the poor signage, for me it was between Torquay and Brixham and I think if there hadn't been roadworks they would have got me. But I get it, ivory towers again, people like to have a go.
Not at all. Both you and @kyoto49 have a valid point. I'm absolutely certain that these new cameras are being installed in areas that are deliberately confusing about what the speed limit is to non locals. That's what they do in France. My advice was don't ever admit you got caught speeding because you didn't know what the limit was, because they'll then have grounds to prosecute you for something else as well.
 
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