Two care homes closing.

tek-monkey

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There is an easy way to recruit more/better staff, but it impacts profits and dividends. Be a shame if they had to knock it down and build houses.
 
proactive

proactive

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tek-monkey said:
There is an easy way to recruit more/better staff, but it impacts profits and dividends. Be a shame if they had to knock it down and build houses.
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Actually, I'm sorry to say it's not as simple as that. Just because you pay staff more does not mean you get people who care.

A better vetting procedure for staff and care home owners needs to be in place. And then those that actually do care about the vulnerable people they are responsible for should get a decent wage.

Caring staff should be amongst the best paid in our society, not the least. Whether they work for the NHS or the private sector.
 
Mudgie

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proactive said:
Actually, I'm sorry to say it's not as simple as that. Just because you pay staff more does not mean you get people who care.

A better vetting procedure for staff and care home owners needs to be in place. And then those that actually do care about the vulnerable people they are responsible for should get a decent wage.

Caring staff should be amongst the best paid in our society, not the least. Whether they work for the NHS or the private sector.
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But a better vetting procedure for staff and care home owners would cost money so it won't happen, well not under the Tories.
 
Mudgie

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proactive said:
Didn't happen under Labour either.

Why?

Because our society, in general, doesn't give a shit about the vulnerable and those that look after them.
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A while ago now but it was a Labour government that established the welfare state, created the NHS and nationalised important industries.
 
proactive

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Mudgie said:
A while ago now but it was a Labour government that established the welfare state, created the NHS and nationalised important industries.
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Well let's all imagine we live in a world as it was 70 years ago then. As long as it makes you happy.

Labour, under Blair and Brown, gave no more of a fcuk for the vulnerable than Thatcher, Johnson or Sunak. We can all imagine that things will be different under a Starmer regime but really they won't, not as regards the vulnerable at any rate.

It's all so depressing.
 
Gramaisc

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Very few people would vote for a real Labour government.

25% still intend to vote for the current organised crime group, according to the polls.

It's hard to feel sorry for most people.
 
Mudgie

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proactive said:
Well let's all imagine we live in a world as it was 70 years ago then. As long as it makes you happy.

Labour, under Blair and Brown, gave no more of a fcuk for the vulnerable than Thatcher, Johnson or Sunak. We can all imagine that things will be different under a Starmer regime but really they won't, not as regards the vulnerable at any rate.

It's all so depressing.
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A Tory government wouldn't have introduced the Minimum Wage.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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proactive said:
Well let's all imagine we live in a world as it was 70 years ago then. As long as it makes you happy.

Labour, under Blair and Brown, gave no more of a fcuk for the vulnerable than Thatcher, Johnson or Sunak. We can all imagine that things will be different under a Starmer regime but really they won't, not as regards the vulnerable at any rate.

It's all so depressing.
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I'm under no illusions about starmer, we're definitely back to a shiniest turd contest.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
proactive said:
Actually, I'm sorry to say it's not as simple as that. Just because you pay staff more does not mean you get people who care.

A better vetting procedure for staff and care home owners needs to be in place. And then those that actually do care about the vulnerable people they are responsible for should get a decent wage.

Caring staff should be amongst the best paid in our society, not the least. Whether they work for the NHS or the private sector.
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But paying more gives you first choice, of course you still need someone competent to hire them. Paying NMW gets you the dregs as you're offering the worst deal
 
kyoto49

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When my sadly departed Mum was needing care we went to look at one of the Maples, unsure which one. The stench of urine and lack of care was heartbreaking. I think they had 30 or 40 residents. My brother asked how they got them all up, dressed, cleaned between the time they got up and the time breakfast was served. Giving each resident 5 mins help would have meant this was 3 hours of work. The ratios of staff to residents was too scant for this to be possible. The person we spoke to was more focused on telling us about the chart he ticked off to say they'd had 5 mins care. He was unable to explain how the logistically impossible was possible

A heartbreaking place and I'm only thankful we were able to pay for quality care. There should be no profit in care homes either for children or the elderly, it just drives down care standards in pursuit of profit. The Tory way :(
 
kyoto49

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proactive said:
Well let's all imagine we live in a world as it was 70 years ago then. As long as it makes you happy.

Labour, under Blair and Brown, gave no more of a fcuk for the vulnerable than Thatcher, Johnson or Sunak. We can all imagine that things will be different under a Starmer regime but really they won't, not as regards the vulnerable at any rate.

It's all so depressing.
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Surestart was very good and had a real positive impact on the life chances of the poorest kids
 
gon2seed

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It takes a special type of person to take on Caring for the elderly. I have done jobs that has necessitated, me spending a considerable time in elderly care homes, I certainly understand the reference to 'the' aroma! I also have often found them depressing places. They can be more positive, but those places are very few and far between, and I suspect staff are better paid and trained than most establishments, and incur higher than average fees! I have worked in care for much of my working life, but never in elderly care. When working with younger people with disability, addiction or in need of a home, you always feel you can improve their life choices if you can make positive changes to their problems. Of course the same can be said for elderly care, however the changes might be less dramatic, and you are always battling against father time, and while it is admirable to make the last years of a persons life more comfortable, you are overseeing a gradual decline! As I said, not an easy job, and I have to doff my cap to those who do it, don't think I could!

And as posters have said, the pay is crap, its an undervalued job.
 
joshua

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i dont envy the social services staff who have to find care home for all the residents (especially the dementia ones) moving care homes can be massively upsetting and traumatic for residents
 
Glam

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kyoto49 said:
When my sadly departed Mum was needing care we went to look at one of the Maples, unsure which one. The stench of urine and lack of care was heartbreaking. I think they had 30 or 40 residents. My brother asked how they got them all up, dressed, cleaned between the time they got up and the time breakfast was served. Giving each resident 5 mins help would have meant this was 3 hours of work. The ratios of staff to residents was too scant for this to be possible. The person we spoke to was more focused on telling us about the chart he ticked off to say they'd had 5 mins care. He was unable to explain how the logistically impossible was possible

A heartbreaking place and I'm only thankful we were able to pay for quality care. There should be no profit in care homes either for children or the elderly, it just drives down care standards in pursuit of profit. The Tory way :(
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There is something truly satisfying of helping someone with their personal care. I know that can take anything from say 15 minutes to over an hour. A lot obviously depends on their mobility, capabilities and willingness to let you help.
A patient who unfortunately, through no fault of their own, has developed Dementia views life a lot differently than a lot of us. If I needed help and was fully aware of that fact, then it would be with reluctance that i would allow someone to undress me, see me naked and then touch me in places that are normally private. But try and undress me without telling me first, you'd be blue lighted up the County, cos i'd fight tooth n nail to get you off me.
Now imagine that you are someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on, in their mind they are back in their 30s say, young, fit and working. Try approaching them to help them undress. I have been belted more times than I can remember, to them you're assaulting them and they will always fight back.
5 minutes isn't enough time to put someones socks on.
 
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