Lunar Scorpion
Anarchy in the UK
Try eating raw meat. I'd love to see how well you digest it.
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Vegan / Vegetarian restaurant in Stafford?
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tek-monkey
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Steak tartar (how do you spell that?), air dried ham, likewise jerky. But no,since we discovered fire our stomachs have more issues with uncooked meats.
So, local only vegan diet?
So, local only vegan diet?
Lunar Scorpion
Anarchy in the UK
I didn't ask you to become vegan, and forcing everyone to conform to your idea of what a human diet should be is rather fascist. (As I have said many times before, you can eat what you want - as long as I can eat what I want.) A lot of vegans do grow their own food.
henryscat
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I doubt that any vegan restaurant makes its living on a 100% vegan customer base - to assume that it would have to is a fallacy. Everybody is a potential customer and I think that is borne out in how successful many vegan restaurants are.
On Thursday evening, I was in York and had a fantastic dinner here: http://www.el-piano.com/ It isn't obviously all vegan from the outside but it is. It was doing a very busy trade and I don't believe for a second that all the customers there were vegan but I'd bet every single one was enjoying the food.
I think restaurant wise Stafford is severely lacking if you want something other than a curry, Chinese, microwaved food, pizza or kebab.
henryscat
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tek-monkey
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So open a vegan restaurant, apparently Stafford is begging for one so you'll be quids in. Same to all the others, put your money up and reap the rewards. I want a real cider pub but I personally don't think its viable enough to waste what little resources I have opening one, especially with the rates in town which is where it would have to be (the old P&A would be perfect). If you are convinced it will be a success then go for it, who knows you may even convert me. It'd have to be very good food though, it's no good just being vegan as you'll get treated like a place that just sells curry.
Stafford is severely lacking on the choice of food, but people have tried in the past to change this and failed. They tried Mexican, they tried tapas, we only have one Thai place I know of? Instead every time a pub closes it becomes an Indian! Now like Indian, but I eat out maybe twice a month so I only go to new places to try them or the old favourites. It appears I have massively underestimated the market for a vegan place, so why has no vegan started one? They are after all the most logical people to open one, but I'm not aware of Stafford ever having one. Someone needs to stop bemoaning the problem and fix it, if it is as viable as is stated here. Hell I even promise to try it, but you have to make it happen rather than wait for someone else to do it. I still want my cider pub, but with my mortgage I don't really fancy being wrong and ending up homeless so I just bide my time and support the businesses I feel warrant my wages.
Stafford is severely lacking on the choice of food, but people have tried in the past to change this and failed. They tried Mexican, they tried tapas, we only have one Thai place I know of? Instead every time a pub closes it becomes an Indian! Now like Indian, but I eat out maybe twice a month so I only go to new places to try them or the old favourites. It appears I have massively underestimated the market for a vegan place, so why has no vegan started one? They are after all the most logical people to open one, but I'm not aware of Stafford ever having one. Someone needs to stop bemoaning the problem and fix it, if it is as viable as is stated here. Hell I even promise to try it, but you have to make it happen rather than wait for someone else to do it. I still want my cider pub, but with my mortgage I don't really fancy being wrong and ending up homeless so I just bide my time and support the businesses I feel warrant my wages.
tek-monkey
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That only says "Yeah, but neither do you", it didn't say that vegans can live healthily on a 100% local diet. If they could like I said their shopping bills would be minimal.
EDIT: If its OK to destroy the environment to transport veg, what is wrong with offsetting that against a local pig?
Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Completely missed the point I was making.
kyoto49
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re the underlined bit. Stafford does not have an Indian restaurant, not one single one. Stafford has Bangladeshi restaurants, selling Bengali food. I'm a little shocked you don't know this being such an advocate of 'Indian' restaurants. :S. As you say, most Indians are vegetarian, and the sheer amount of dead animal on any 'Indian' restaurant's menu should send a red flag that they are not actually Indian at all. This is the reason that they have meat on the menu, not due to customer demand. I assume you've noticed that there is no pig on the menu though...
re the bold bit, that's a bit like saying, a tropical fish and aquarium shop will never do any good becuase not everyone will want to go there. Not everyone wants to go to most shops and restaurants, it doesn't mean we should only have shops that everyone will shop in.
If a really good vegan restaurant opened, I'd say more a cafe/bistro rather than a restaurant, that was accessible, reasonably priced and sold good quality simple food, nothing pretentious, I think it would do very well in Stafford; providing of course people weren't narrow minded and influenced by preconceived b*llocks about vegan food!!
tek-monkey
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You are welcome to eat what you want, food purveyors are welcome to sell what they want. The problem is locally you can't find any common ground, so either go further afield or fix the problem locally. It seems the best people to address the lack of a vegan restaurant are those who think they would support it enough to keep it afloat, there is no point trying to convince omnivores. Find the people you think will use it, you'd need to anyway, and try and convince them to throw in to start one. If they all agree it could work then you'll be laughing, the mark up on food aint bad.
tek-monkey
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Customer demand, exactly. I'm well aware they are Bangladeshi, but Indian is a catch all for currys to be fair. I'd call a Balti an Indian and that comes from brum. Still, customer demand. Not real Indian food then, the UK doesn't want that, and Indians outnumber vegans on any statistic I can find? So a Vegan restaurant is less viable than a true Indian one, based on their direct consumer base. If I'm wrong start one.
Then start a vegan restaurant and cash in.
Then, erm, start a vegan restaurant and cash in?
kyoto49
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I don't have the business or cookery skills to start any sort of restaurant, no matter how many times you tell me to! Doesn't mean I and many others wouldn't support one should one open. Much like I frequent the Creperie on Martin Street, in my own personal crusade to support small independant niche businesses, if a veggie or vegan restaurant opened then that would be my eating out place of choice, providing it was decent of course.
I disagree that there isn't a demand for proper Indian food. I just think that Indian immigrants have tended hitorically to be highly skilled, Doctors and the like, rather than chefs.
Mikinton
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I suppose if I was with friends who wanted to go for a 'veggie', I'd have no problem and though I'm a fussy bugger, I'm more than confident I'd find something I'd enjoy. I certainly don't see meals without meat as not being proper meals - I often have a 'veggie' meal (though probably not in the HenrysCat sense) of beans-on-toast.
Just out of interest, how many of you meat eaters ever choose from the vegetarian options when you go out for a meal? I can't think that I ever have, even though I would have no problem considering them. It's just that there's usually a non-vegetarian meal on the menu that I prefer.
tek-monkey
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But if demand was there then they would flourish, at the risk of being extremely sexist can not one of the male immigrants wives cook?
If you can't cook well yourself, and don't know anyone else that can cook vegan food well enough to open a restaurant, then how do you expect it to survive? I only eat at places that cook better than me, I'd rather eat a good Chinese than a crap Mexican yet I prefer Mexican food by far. If vegan food is as good if not better than carnivorous this should not be the case, round up a good chef and prove Stafford wrong. I don't eat meat because it's meat, I eat it because I prefer it to the alternatives available. I've never found a preferable vegan dish, and now you'rte telling me nobody in Stafford can cook one. Who will cook at the restaurant? Vegan isn't enough to get customers, it has to be worth eating over the alternatives available.
If you can't cook well yourself, and don't know anyone else that can cook vegan food well enough to open a restaurant, then how do you expect it to survive? I only eat at places that cook better than me, I'd rather eat a good Chinese than a crap Mexican yet I prefer Mexican food by far. If vegan food is as good if not better than carnivorous this should not be the case, round up a good chef and prove Stafford wrong. I don't eat meat because it's meat, I eat it because I prefer it to the alternatives available. I've never found a preferable vegan dish, and now you'rte telling me nobody in Stafford can cook one. Who will cook at the restaurant? Vegan isn't enough to get customers, it has to be worth eating over the alternatives available.
tek-monkey
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Could be scope for a Veggiemark to fill the Debenhams gap in the new shopping development?