What do forumites think of Dale Farm? and the travellers ...

Alan B'Stard

Well-Known Forumite
UN urges Britain to create new County of Gypsyshire

As debate continues to rage over the plight of the Traveller community, the UN has stepped in as peace brokers to recommend a county of their own.

“The key problem is that this disingenuous tribe need somewhere permanent to live while they roam the country, scrumping for copper,” explained the Ralf Haarnstock, the UN’s top troubleshooter.

“If we’ve learned one thing from the Israel conundrum, it’s that people love having communities with completely different values foisted on them. And I’m sure the people of Surrey will welcome their new neighbours with similar vigour.”

The new mobile-home county will be closed to ‘outsiders’. As Haarnstock explained, “The Travellers are really nervous around other communities. A 10-foot wall around Gypsyshire will stop ‘outsiders’ pointing accusing fingers at things they don’t understand, such as traditional customs, or piles of stolen power cables.”
Traveller settlement

Not everyone is happy with the new County. Eamonn Tike, a spokesman for the Travellers, was particularly critical of the idea that they should form their own council. “We shouldn’t have to be a viable state, it’s racist and against our religion.”

“Naturally, we all pay a lot of tax, so the council’s budget will be massive. But we need a minimum of two counties, so we can travel between them while someone is tidying up after us.”

The neighbouring councils of Surrey and Berkshire have raised planning objections with the new county, after complaints that the wall isn’t high enough. “We’re not snobs, some of my friends have caravans”, explained Mary Gillet of Guildford.

“We realise the wall is for their own protection, and we wouldn’t dream of questioning their ways. But if it was just a little higher, it might block out the noise of police helicopters.”

http://newsthump.com/2011/09/22/un-urges-britain-to-create-new-county-of-gypsyshire/
 

Trumpet

Well-Known Forumite
Miss Red said:
Whatever happened to the "static sites" the government mentioned building a few years ago? People have to stay somewhere!
As one who has experience of evicting travellers one of the best ways to get them to move on under their own steam was to offer to tow their caravans to a council approved site.
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
Trumpet said:
Miss Red said:
Whatever happened to the "static sites" the government mentioned building a few years ago? People have to stay somewhere!
As one who has experience of evicting travellers one of the best ways to get them to move on under their own steam was to offer to tow their caravans to a council approved site.
Errm, such as doxey ? ......
 

ddub1984

Well-Known Forumite
basil said:
Trumpet said:
Miss Red said:
Whatever happened to the "static sites" the government mentioned building a few years ago? People have to stay somewhere!
As one who has experience of evicting travellers one of the best ways to get them to move on under their own steam was to offer to tow their caravans to a council approved site.
Errm, such as doxey ? ......
There is that council site on Glover Street (off Gaol Square), & in all fairness I have never heard of any trouble/crime happening there, not seen any in the local papers anyway.
 

halfmanhalfbrisket

Well-Known Forumite
ddub1984 said:
There is that council site on Glover Street (off Gaol Square), & in all fairness I have never heard of any trouble/crime happening there, not seen any in the local papers anyway.
I had no idea that was even there
 

ddub1984

Well-Known Forumite
halfmanhalfbrisket said:
ddub1984 said:
There is that council site on Glover Street (off Gaol Square), & in all fairness I have never heard of any trouble/crime happening there, not seen any in the local papers anyway.
I had no idea that was even there
My point exactly :-D

I think the reason the Dale Farm eviction has got so much news coverage (bear in mind the eviction is a local issue that really doesnt affect the whole country) is that it is an opportunity for the whole country to discuss their grievances/dislikes of the travellers.

Myself, I have no problem with travellers. Say what you like, the stereotypical traveller works cash in hand to pay for the roof over their head & put food on the table. OK they probably dont pay income tax. But you wont find them claiming benefits either. Compare this to a dole dosser who has never done a days work in their life, has no intention of ever working, the council pays for the roof over their heads, the government pays for the food on their table. Their council tax is paid for by the government. In the end its hardworking taxpayers like me that put the roof over their head & the food on their table. We all know people like this. There are an estimated 15000-30000 travellers in the UK- there are 2.5 million unemployed people in the UK.

PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT SAYING ALL JSA CLAIMANTS ARE THE STEREOTYPE I AM TALKING ABOUT. Most of these 2.5 million are genuine hardworking people that have fallen on hard times & I am glad benefits exist to help them in their hour of need. I claimed JSA myself once for 2 weeks. But there will be several hundred thousand people who ARE the dole-dosser stereotype I describe who have no intention of working because they feel entitled to sponge on handouts from taxpayers.

When you look at it like that, I have quite a lot of respect for travellers. They are not really the drain on society that they are sometimes made out to be. The residents of Dale Farm bought that land. I would put money on it that the vast majority of them do not claim any benefits. As a hardworking taxpayer myself I know who is the real leech on society, its the ever-growing "why-bother-working class" that is the real problem & drain on my taxes. I dont have any grudge against travellers.
 

Trumpet

Well-Known Forumite
ddub1984 said:
They are not really the drain on society that they are sometimes made out to be.
+1 on that but, as has been posted on here in the past petty crime figures do seem to increase when they're in the area.
 

Withnail

Well-Known Forumite
Eye said:
Basildon Council blamed the “exceptional circumstances” of the Dale Farm saga for its decision to cancel a meeting last week to debate the sale of several parks and playing fields to help with the building of the “Sporting Village”. Council leader Tony Ball claimed the extraordinary council meeting, to debate the sale, could have been “hijacked by people with their own agendas.”

Yes, the council so keen to spend £18m on protecting green spaces from unwanted housing development by travellers, intends to sell several of its own green spaces to, er, property developers to meet the shortfall in funding for the grandiose £35m pre-Olympics training centre, which will house the Japanese swimmers in the run up to the games next year (Eye 1269).

Some facilities will be open to local youngsters displaced from Kent View Recreation Ground and three other fields in the town – so long as they can afford, for instance, £20 per 28 minutes for a 5-a-side football match.
 
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