Without a fair trial

[MyCult]

Big brother is watching you and certainly doesn't have your best interests at heart.

Its OK, UK legislation will prevail:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20091120/tuk-cut-off-plan-over-illegal-downloads-6323e80.html

The Bill would also enable the Secretary of State to apply to Parliament to force ISPs to impose technical measures such as the suspension of internet connections as a "last resort".

That action would be taken if the lesser measures failed to cut unlawful file-sharing by at least 70%, a timetable for which could not be given by Minister for Digital Britain Stephen Timms.

Anyone who feels they have been unfairly penalised could complain through a "clear and effective appeals mechanism".

Well thats OK then, I certainly have faith in the guv if they plan a clear and effective appeals mechanism. What could possibly go wrong in this unknown timeframe of which they speak?

There are lots more articles about this but basically it's about as close to digital fascism as you can get. They would have the power to cut off and fine entire families based on the suspicion of something illegal happening. This is without trial because there has never been anyone falsely accused of file sharing; so we don't need a 'trial'.

This raises another question: would it be illegal not to protect your wireless network? Let assume Mr & Mrs X are not to tech minded and so once the have the internet they just accept it as stands. They don't take any more security measures. Their neighbour uses their connection to download something illegally and they take the fall?

Most ISP's use DHCP too which means IP addresses are not static. There is no absolutely sure fire way to associate an IP address with physical location/user.

This feels like it's pressure from the MPIAA and the RIAA and their UK equivalents. Big business is throwing it's weight around and this 'peoples government' hashing together some revenue-generating fear-mongering bill to placate them. Wicked.

Somehow I doubt it will be their loved ones falsely arrested for downloading 'German Porn'. This shit happens when there is legal requirement for a trial. I think that story would have had a different ending if a trial was not required.


Petition to: abolish the proposed law that will see alleged illegal filesharers disconnected from their broadband connections, without a fair trial. sign it!

Sign it or your Nan is going down for illegally downloading goat porn.

 

[db]

so, if i sign this, can my nan continue downloading goat porn? cos i'm not sure she could cope without it, bless her..

(blato signed the petition first thing this morning, btw)..

 

[MyCult]

Yes, that is my understanding

I have also signed this for mine and your Nans right to illegally download goat porn.

 

[db]

I have also signed this for mine and your Nans right to illegally download goat porn.

btw my nan wants her torrentz back pl0x

 

[tek-monkey]

My nan is disgusted with all of you, whats wrong with good old fashioned chicken porn nowadays?

 

[shoes]

<sigh>

Oh well.

How long before another method of P2P is conceived and then we have to though this rigmerol all over again?

 

[MyCult]

<sigh>

Oh well.

How long before another method of P2P is conceived and then we have to though this rigmerol all over again?

Funny you should mention that, mine and Mucky-Roberts nans have recently developed a new P2P protocol called: chiken-pr0n.

They will soon be dropping it open source down one of the many interconnecting pipes that make up the internet.

 

[db]

Funny you should mention that, mine and Mucky-Roberts nans have recently developed a new P2P protocol called: chiken-pr0n.

They will soon be dropping it open source down one of the many interconnecting pipes that make up the internet.

my nan says she's never dropping her open sauce on your pipe ever again, after last time..

dear god, thank goodness it's home time

 

[MyCult]

Nice

Back to the point there will no doubt be some forumers who have not signed. It is important to sign. Sign up while you have the chance.

This isn't about file sharing it's about big corporations being able to arrest and fine ordinary people without trial. There are many illegal acts in this country; by their definition 'illegal' it implies that legal proceedings will have to be taken in the event these acts are committed. In every instance a fair trial will be conducted. No one body can accuse you of a 'crime' then be judge, jury and executioner. This is the (supposed) backbone of our legal system. It should stay that way.

Sign the petition now! Sign it before some tech savvy internet thief gets your Nan and everyone you care about arrested for pirating New Moon (or some other shit). Don't delay signing this thing or the UK is one step closer to being over run by Nazi's riding dinosaurs.

Sign this petition or I will come to where you live and round-house-kick the front wall straight off the property.

 

[gdavies]

apparently if someone can prove they did not protect there wireless network due to not having the know how it is down to the isp to send out guides, well there is my excuse for the donkey porn, forget goats and chickens, lol

 

[MyCult]

If you've not read this is what happened recently to law abiding 60+ British citizens:

A Hertfordshire couple in their 60s were horrified to receive a letter last week from a London firm of lawyers accusing them of dowloading a hardcore gay porn movie. It demanded they pay £503 for "copyright infringement" or face a high court action. The 20-page "pre-settlement letter" from lawyers Davenport Lyons, acting on behalf of German pornogaphers, insisted they pay £503 to their clients for the 115 minute film Army young men which features "Gestapo" officers and "Czech" farmers.

The bewildered couple contacted Guardian Money. "We were offended by the title of the film. We don't do porn - straight or gay - and we can't do downloads. We have to ask our son even to do an iTunes purchase."

But this Hertfordshire couple are not alone. A large number of people have received this letter, provoking a massive outcry on web forums such as slyck.com and torrentfreak which estimate 25,000 of these letters have been sent out. If all the recipients paid up, it would net £12.5m - more than almost any porn film has made.

link to article on guardian.co.uk

Without fair trial this will just turn into a revenue generation system for corporations. Without fair trial this is just some faceless corporate fucktard suggesting that you owe them money and that being everything they need to arrest you. You will be legally obliged to pay whether or not you are liable and without question.

Sign. For all that is right sign before they eat your children.

 

[MyCult]

apparently if someone can prove they did not protect there wireless network due to not having the know how it is down to the isp to send out guides, well there is my excuse for the donkey porn, forget goats and chickens, lol

What someone downloads is their own business

If this is true would the lack of knowledge or security negate the arrests & fines? In which case my network is getting unlocked should this thing pass

p.s. Sign it!

 

[Wookie]

I've signed it.
This is undoubtedly A Bad Thing.
Why are you still reading this? Sign it! Sign it!! Sign it Sign it Sign it!!!

 

[Gramaisc]

Signed.

 

[shoes]

signed

 

[gdavies]

peeps you all need to sign this,
why you use the net if not how the hell did you read this, if someone hacks into your network they could get you cut off,
Nike advertise just do it - I agree just do it sign it today

 

[shoes]

i wonder if your name, address and email address goes onto the government list of people who may potentially at some point int he future instigate or be instrumental in some kind of un specified rebellion and therefore should be monitored?

 

[Gramaisc]

i wonder if your name, address and email address goes onto the government list of people who may potentially at some point int he future instigate or be instrumental in some kind of un specified rebellion and therefore should be monitored?

I doubt that they're capable of doing that properly. They'ld like us to believe it, though.

There's about thirty people between us in the five minutes or so that seperated our signatures - so about one every ten seconds.

 

[MyCult]

My paranoid brain also thought that!! About how they (the powers that be) have created a list of PRO file-sharers for later use. But I'm happier being heard and scrutinised than let this thing though without a word... *I think*

*edit there was another rant below. I'm done ranting for the day.

 

[gdavies]

i despise it most as i get called out to set up wireless networks for people whom have had there internet hi jacked without knowing, this is infringement to not trial people for it, old betty the road 100+ wouldn't have a clue about wireless networks but her bt home hub is giving off a wireless signal, someone gets in downloads goat porn and boom she is off where is the justice.