Greyfriars Prayer Hall

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Roland

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littleme said:
Why is there never a dislike button when you want one.
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There used to be but admin removed it.

What is there to dislike about the truth, unless it is the fact that the disabled and women are being discriminated against.

The rooms being built are for disabled and women worshippers as women are not allowed to worship with men and there is no disabled access to the main prayer hall.
 
littleme

littleme

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Roland said:
There used to be but admin removed it.

What is there to dislike about the truth, unless it is the fact that the disabled and women are being discriminated against.

The rooms being built are for disabled and women worshippers as women are not allowed to worship with men and there is no disabled access to the main prayer hall.
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But you could look at it from the point of view that the ladies & less-abled are getting a nice shiny new place in which to pray.....rather than being segregated or discriminated against. :)
 
ATJ

ATJ

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Discrimination laws apply to public buildings and businesses. Places of worship are neither. Just like Catholic schools can sack unmarried, pregnant teachers, just like all religious schools can avoid teaching bits of the curriculum they don't like, just like the CofE doesn't treat Vicars as staff so employment law doesn't apply; places of worship are private land and discrimination law doesn't apply.

I agree. It's unfair and stupid that religion gets a free ride on these issues.

But Islam is no worse than the rest and its pretty disgusting that people hide behind discrimination concerns when they really just want to have a pop at Islam.
 
kyoto49

kyoto49

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littleme said:
But you could look at it from the point of view that the ladies & less-abled are getting a nice shiny new place in which to pray.....rather than being segregated or discriminated against. :)
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I think it's the whole principal behind women not being equal in the mosque that was my issue, rather than the fact that in this particular instance they are getting a new room,
 
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Roland

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littleme said:
But you could look at it from the point of view that the ladies & less-abled are getting a nice shiny new place in which to pray.....rather than being segregated or discriminated against. :)
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I think you may want to think that over again!
 
kyoto49

kyoto49

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ATJ said:
Discrimination laws apply to public buildings and businesses. Places of worship are neither. Just like Catholic schools can sack unmarried, pregnant teachers, just like all religious schools can avoid teaching bits of the curriculum they don't like, just like the CofE doesn't treat Vicars as staff so employment law doesn't apply; places of worship are private land and discrimination law doesn't apply.

I agree. It's unfair and stupid that religion gets a free ride on these issues.

But Islam is no worse than the rest and its pretty disgusting that people hide behind discrimination concerns when they really just want to have a pop at Islam.
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You were doing well with your first paragraph, answering my question in a reasonable way, and then you felt the need for a diatribe against anyone who questions Islam as me wanting to have a pop at the religion concerned. What a load of B/S. I can assure you that my wanting to have a pop is not confined to Islam, it covers all organised worship, my disgust at the hypocrisy of all of them knows no bounds, so please don't turn this it to an anti-Islam point of view, when it's an anti-religion one. If I want to have a pop at Islam I will, and as Trevor Phillips says, it's the fact that everyone is too scared to discuss genuine and valid concerns in multicultural Britain that has led to some terrible things happening,,,,,,see Rotherham sex abuse for an example. All religious beliefs should be challenged as to there applicability in the 21st century. Of course, we can say nothing and walk blindly into becoming some sort of theocracy because we were too scared to say anything when we thought things were happening that were wrong. :(. I'd rather be called a racist for challenging religion than be gutless thanks.
 
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Roland

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ATJ said:
Discrimination laws apply to public buildings and businesses. Places of worship are neither. Just like Catholic schools can sack unmarried, pregnant teachers, just like all religious schools can avoid teaching bits of the curriculum they don't like, just like the CofE doesn't treat Vicars as staff so employment law doesn't apply; places of worship are private land and discrimination law doesn't apply.

I agree. It's unfair and stupid that religion gets a free ride on these issues.

But Islam is no worse than the rest and its pretty disgusting that people hide behind discrimination concerns when they really just want to have a pop at Islam.
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You are so wrong, I am quite happy to take a pop at any and every religion, they are all crazy but when you are allowed to discriminate because of your religion, of whatever variety that is, then I will speak out.
 
ATJ

ATJ

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Gutless my arse. I am anti religion and will happily call a spade a spade. Allowing segregated debates at universities in the name of inclusivity is disgusting. I'll happily have a go at religion when it extends into public life but when it stays to it's own houses I don't care.

Ill believe you're not racist when I see the same outrage over the noise of church bells, or orthodox Christian requirements for women to cover their heads in church, or circumcision.
 
littleme

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kyoto49 said:
I think it's the whole principal behind women not being equal in the mosque that was my issue, rather than the fact that in this particular instance they are getting a new room,
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Plenty of religions have customs where men & women celebrate/pray separately ... I don't see it as an issue - live & let live :)
 
littleme

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Gramaisc said:
We don't seem to have a thread on here complaining about the lack of Catholic women priests.

Yet.
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I'm thinking of starting a thread complaining about people who don't believe in any religion & are quite happy to let everyone just get on with believing whatever they want to.

I wonder what causes more wars, religion or wealth/land.
 
kyoto49

kyoto49

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littleme said:
I'm thinking of starting a thread complaining about people who don't believe in any religion & are quite happy to let everyone just get on with believing whatever they want to.

I wonder what causes more wars, religion or wealth/land.
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Men, it's men who start wars :D
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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kyoto49 said:
Men, it's men who start wars :D
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PeterD

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littleme said:
I'm thinking of starting a thread complaining about people who don't believe in any religion & are quite happy to let everyone just get on with believing whatever they want to.

I wonder what causes more wars, religion or wealth/land.
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There is a movement, if you can call it that, I believe its called happy atheists, or some such. Essentially people who do not believe in god, or the bible or religion, but respect people’s choices and belief system, live and indeed, let live. I am one of those. That man shouting about gods glory on a high street, that’s up to him, he can do that, its not going to change my view. Jehovahs witnesses at my door, they will get a good morning, possibly even a good natured conversation. Similarly friends of mine who are hindu, sikh and muslim. I will question them on their beliefs but in a respectful way, they know my thoughts and I have no reason to offend them by being disrespectful. Religion, not once, ever has ever harmed me or impacted on my life.


Oh there was that one time in assembly in 1980 at Donnington Wood C of E Junior School when it was hot and I threw up and fainted. Blooming god with his long assemblies.
 
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