Noah
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You don't have to guess, on Thursday night when it looked as though Remain was winning he was loudly demanding another referendum. Funny how by Friday morning he had dropped the idea .
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You don't have to guess, on Thursday night when it looked as though Remain was winning he was loudly demanding another referendum. Funny how by Friday morning he had dropped the idea .
tek-monkey
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By midday Boris was looking like he wanted another go!
Studio Tan
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. . . so the UK Border Agency is made up of feisty old grannies and not - as I'd been led to believe - ex-supermarket store greeters !
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citricsquid
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I am very much disturbed by the impact this is having on our country but at least in times of misery there is still comedy to keep us going:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/747754682387435521
I read an article from Armando Iannucci, a writer of The Thick of It, a few weeks ago, about how he wouldn't write The Thick of It today. Every day that passes brings makes his words more real:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...thick-it-now-politics-already-feels-fictional
I think leaving the EU is a bad idea, but there are some arguments that hold merit and depending on your beliefs it could be held that leaving the EU is beneficial long term, however our government appear to be mismanaging this so spectacularly I doubt we'll ever see those benefits if they keep this up.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/747754682387435521
I read an article from Armando Iannucci, a writer of The Thick of It, a few weeks ago, about how he wouldn't write The Thick of It today. Every day that passes brings makes his words more real:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...thick-it-now-politics-already-feels-fictional
I think leaving the EU is a bad idea, but there are some arguments that hold merit and depending on your beliefs it could be held that leaving the EU is beneficial long term, however our government appear to be mismanaging this so spectacularly I doubt we'll ever see those benefits if they keep this up.
John Marwood
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Stephen Hawking says pollution and 'stupidity' still biggest threats to mankind
Stephen Hawking says pollution and 'stupidity' still biggest threats to mankind
shoes
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And this is why I have little to no sympathy for people in these areas - can't be bothered to find out how the world works? Well I can't be bothered to have any sympathy for you now that you've shot both feet clean off.
All of the facts were presented clearly and coherantly. 52% of the population just willfully ignored them. Cheers all....
It's a bit late for that, we've just voted for the biggest catastrophe in living memory - the time to get a grip was last week. RIP UK Plc.
tek-monkey
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I should have been more clear, my family voted stay but were in shock to realise their townfolk did not. But yeah, suddenly they all want to be told the EU money will still come. Dickheads.
shoes
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Agreed.. I should have phrased mine such that I have no sympathy for those who voted to leave. I have the utmost sympathy for those who voted to remain as they're going also be dry violated, but this time against their will.
citricsquid
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The fault here lies exclusively with our government, our government have been appointed by the people to make decisions in our interest, if leaving the European Union such a bad decision then our government have not made a decision in our interest by putting it to popular vote. The government know how voters think, what issues matter to voters, the government should have known that this was a real eventuality. The decision to leave or remain within the European Union should not have been a decision given directly to the people. The inexplicable arrogance of our government is what you should take issue with here, not misinformed voters.
They really weren't. The information available through both campaigns was woefully inadequate.
shoes
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I don't disagree with you that giving out stupid, apathetic, willfully misinformed and quite frankly pathetic public a vote was possibly the second worst decision ever made in our history, however, this doesn't completely absolve aforementioned public for voting out.
Nonsense - they facts were, and have always been present. I didn't mention the campaigns - the trouble with the public is apathy - anyone who voted purely based on what they heard in the campaigns wants shooting, regardless of which way they voted.
tek-monkey
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This I agree with, if you're going to ask a politician how to vote you need to be sectioned. Could always blame Corbyn though.
Who knows what happens in the next few months? Will we have an early election even though we have fixed term parliaments?
I imagine it depends who ends up as Labour and Tory leader. I wonder if Labour elect a pro EU leader then the Tories might seek to exploit that in and call an election.
A pro EU Labour leader would please many activists and it's metropolitan professional supporters but would be at odds with many of it's traditional working class supporters who turned out in massive numbers to vote for Leave. Take Barnsley for example where at the last General Election had a 52 and 55% turnout, whereas at the referendum there was a 69% turnout with a 68% vote to Leave. I imagine it's been a long time since Barnsley has seen a 69% turnout at an election! This happened al across England and Wales outside metropolitan areas such as London, Brighton, Bristol etc.
One of the standout moments on the referendum night was the BBC interviewing Ed Miliband with him saying that 'we have to listen to our traditional supporters'? How many times have we heard that line? Why hasn't Labour listened? I strongly suspect Labour have listened but don't like what they have heard and decided to ignore views that don't fit into there liberal sensibilities.
I wonder if a pro Brexit Labour MP such as Gisela Stuart will get on the Labour leadership ballot sheet? It should be recognised that it was Labour voters who swung the referendum to a Leave result.
I imagine it depends who ends up as Labour and Tory leader. I wonder if Labour elect a pro EU leader then the Tories might seek to exploit that in and call an election.
A pro EU Labour leader would please many activists and it's metropolitan professional supporters but would be at odds with many of it's traditional working class supporters who turned out in massive numbers to vote for Leave. Take Barnsley for example where at the last General Election had a 52 and 55% turnout, whereas at the referendum there was a 69% turnout with a 68% vote to Leave. I imagine it's been a long time since Barnsley has seen a 69% turnout at an election! This happened al across England and Wales outside metropolitan areas such as London, Brighton, Bristol etc.
One of the standout moments on the referendum night was the BBC interviewing Ed Miliband with him saying that 'we have to listen to our traditional supporters'? How many times have we heard that line? Why hasn't Labour listened? I strongly suspect Labour have listened but don't like what they have heard and decided to ignore views that don't fit into there liberal sensibilities.
I wonder if a pro Brexit Labour MP such as Gisela Stuart will get on the Labour leadership ballot sheet? It should be recognised that it was Labour voters who swung the referendum to a Leave result.
tek-monkey
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So Corbyn gets slated for not being in enough, despite the party being in, but Gisela who was very out against her party line would make a good leader? Do we want a PM that tells us what to do, or one that asks us? Or one that runs a company advising non-UK citizens on their tax affairs in the UK?
Corbyn shouldn't have compromised his views on the EU when he took over as leader. He set himself up for a fall by taking a position that he didn't believe in and in the wake of the fallout since the vote it has gave the PLP, who have never wanted him as leader, the opportunity to remove him.
Corbyn was a very poor choice of leader and is out of his depth. The problem with Labour is that isn't any stand out candidate(s) to take over from him.
Corbyn was a very poor choice of leader and is out of his depth. The problem with Labour is that isn't any stand out candidate(s) to take over from him.
tek-monkey
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Dunno how true but.....
As for Corbyn, does it matter if the MPs like him if the people do? Most MPs are self serving wankers, I'm not sure I care what they think. Right now I'd still vote Corbyn, shame we have 4 years to wait!
As for Corbyn, does it matter if the MPs like him if the people do? Most MPs are self serving wankers, I'm not sure I care what they think. Right now I'd still vote Corbyn, shame we have 4 years to wait!
True. I would chuck most of the self serving tosspots in the Thames but we are where we are, and this country needs an effective opposition that is competent and actually look like being the next government. Labour is no where near that position and hasn't the broad appeal to achieve victory. Can you honestly see Labour winning back the seats such as Telford, Cannock, Tamworth and indeed Stafford and the like that are needed to get anywhere near getting a majority? In fact studying the results in the referendum, the concern is that Labour could be under pressure in their traditional Northern and Welsh strongholds.