After the love has gone......

[Floss]

People may need to make a bit of personal effort. It's not hard to spot that 'they' are liars - if that is unknown to you, then you probably shouldn't be voting.

e.g., I've had a bloke today tell me that he could go to France without a passport before we joined, but the EU stopped all that.

I expect that he is misremembering the old one-year visitor's passport - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_passport#The_British_visitor.27s_passport - but, I didn't like to suggest that he might want to join the Schengen area.


He may also have forgotten the hassle of trying to prove that you hadn't bought your watch or camera whilst on holiday...

Yes but not everyone will understand and some people do believe what is being said, regardless if their lies or not. I wasn't referring to myself btw! But what really pee's me off is all the people who believe they know all the answers and then go round telling other people they are stupid or that they shouldn't vote. That's not anyone else's decision to make. Part of me wonders if it's a control thing, that they believe they are so right, that they are so annoyed they can't control everyone else. Everyone who is entitled to a vote had a choice where to place it, it's not for anyone else to dictate or decide if their decision is wrong or misinformed, it's their business. Personally I'm sick of the whole thing, it's happening whether people like it or not.

 

[John Marwood]

October election

Just hope there is someone worth returning to the poĺĺ station for

So far they are missing

 

[tek-monkey]

October election

Just hope there is someone worth returning to the poĺĺ station for

So far they are missing

Politicians hate corbyn, newspapers hate corbyn, in fact most people I despise hate corbyn. That's good enough for me!

 

[John Marwood]

Politicians hate corbyn, newspapers hate corbyn, in fact most people I despise hate corbyn. That's good enough for me!

Labour has no one

They'd be better doing a UKIP

Choose a leader then try make him an MP

 

[proactive]

Labour has no one

They'd be better doing a UKIP

Choose a leader then try make him an MP

David Milliband?

!!

 

[Gramaisc]

Yes but not everyone will understand and some people do believe what is being said, regardless if their lies or not. I wasn't referring to myself btw! But what really pee's me off is all the people who believe they know all the answers and then go round telling other people they are stupid or that they shouldn't vote. That's not anyone else's decision to make. Part of me wonders if it's a control thing, that they believe they are so right, that they are so annoyed they can't control everyone else. Everyone who is entitled to a vote had a choice where to place it, it's not for anyone else to dictate or decide if their decision is wrong or misinformed, it's their business. Personally I'm sick of the whole thing, it's happening whether people like it or not.

There was very little truth available from either campaign. Both were content to mislead people, in many cases, quite openly. These days, it's not too hard to get a reasonably true feel for things by making some effort yourself. A lot of people have what seems to be a form of evangelical faith as their overriding "policy position". That hardly seems a good idea, but that is their choice.

If people ask you your position, then it's only polite to answer them. Personally, I try not to start conversations about this sort of thing.

The people have spoken. In most other countries there would not be an opportunity for dithering.

 

[Lucy]

David Milliband?

!!

This. Stick him into Batley and Spen, only way to save Labour I think.

 

[John Marwood]

David Milliband?

!!

I was actually thinking of someone with credibility, compassion, vision and imagination

G Perry doesn't know it's he just yet

But JC Clarke is in his shadow cabinet

 

[andy w]

David Milliband?

!!

Yes I'm sure another middle class pro EU, pro mass immigration, London centric metropolitan is going to have appeal across the country!

 

[John Marwood]

Smugness is so last year

We need comic genius

 

[andy w]

That's ruled Eddie Izard out then!

 

[proactive]

Yes I'm sure another middle class pro EU, pro mass immigration, London centric metropolitan is going to have appeal across the country!

I never said he would. But the Labour party aren't exactly brimming over with top class candidates at the moment are they.

 

[Gramaisc]

I'm not sure that a working class party leader might not attract even fewer votes.

 

[proactive]

I'm not sure that a working class party leader might not attract even fewer votes.

When did Labour last have a working class leader?

 

[Gramaisc]

When did Labour last have a working class leader?

Probably the nearest might have been Wilson. Foot was derided for trying to appear as one. That's about it, I suppose.

 

[proactive]

Wilson certainly wasn't working class. The closest to it I can think of was Kinnock.

 

[Gramaisc]

Wilson certainly wasn't working class. The closest to it I can think of was Kinnock.

I try to forget him - and that is essentially my point.

John Prescott was the theoretical immediate successor if Blair had dropped dead - I doubt he would have led the party to election victory. He was largely there as a token blokey chap.

There is an element of the old "I look up to him" in all this....

It's about bums on seats in the Commons - little else.

 

[hop]

He was largely there as a token blokey chap.

I doubt he has the mental resolve to undertake the task. I recall sitting opposite him around 2007 (probably on a Thursday) after a heavy drinking session and staring him out. Although it might be he hadn't realised there was a competition in progress.

 

[John Marwood]

I doubt he has the mental resolve to undertake the task. I recall sitting opposite him around 2007 (probably on a Thursday) after a heavy drinking session and staring him out. Although it might be he hadn't realised there was a competition in progress.

Deffo a Thursday

 

[Gramaisc]

I doubt he has the mental resolve to undertake the task.

I suspect that he's not in the running.

As much as 'we' don't trust middle-class politicians, 'we' would probably trust a working class one even less. 'We' might actually even believe them more, but 'we' would suspect that they're not really as 'good at it' as a 'proper type' would be.