ex-GEC/Alstom St Leonards Works Development.

Wormella

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The little flyer posted through my door yesterday said the plans would also be available to view online from 3pm on the 8th of March which is a nice touch.

The existing approved plans for the houses at the back are by the same developer (see link above) - but I can't find any evidence of any suggestion of planning consent for the industrial site. Links or it didn't happen ;)
 

markpa12003

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9% of the UK is developed

But then the UK is not a country

Is it?

As part of any new development there are section 106 agreements or a community infrastructure levys. These are mechanisms that Council's use to secure monies from developers to fund infrastructure improvements / mitigate against their impact. The monies are usually spent on local road improvements, public art, schools, health etc. The amount of money paid in contributions can be substantial.

As well as the above, there is also a requirement for onsite play provision and affordable housing. Most council's don't want to adopt play areas / open space and, therefore, developers are being required to maintain them for a certain period of time and / or a management company is being set up whereby the new residents pay for their upkeep.
 

markpa12003

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St Modwnens do build houses, however they also have a Joint Venture agreement with Persimmon Homes as such it may be latter than build the houses. St Mods may also choose to sell the site to a housebuilder when they've obtained planning consent.
 

markpa12003

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In addition to the above, there is also the New Homes Bonus which is paid by the Govt to Local Councils if they grant planning consent for the new homes. The NHB is not ring fenced and, therefore, it can be spent on any community benefits that the council sees fit.

If more people were aware of the benefits that new housing developments can bring in terms of infrastructure improvements and job creation there might be fewer objections to them. The Country may then be able to build some houses because currently there is a massive shortfall.
 

c0tt0nt0p

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Most council's don't want to adopt play areas / open space and, therefore, developers are being required to maintain them for a certain period of time and / or a management company is being set up whereby the new residents pay for their upkeep.

For the Crossings estate the play area is maintained by Greenbelt group along with grassy areas etc. They do a pretty crap job of this as it's always done on the cheap. Been a real hassle getting grass cut and we're still waiting for perimeter fencing to be replaced after 12 months.... Note that residents don't pay anything towards this...
 

ATJ

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The little flyer posted through my door yesterday said the plans would also be available to view online from 3pm on the 8th of March which is a nice touch.

The existing approved plans for the houses at the back are by the same developer (see link above) - but I can't find any evidence of any suggestion of planning consent for the industrial site. Links or it didn't happen ;)
outline consent issued for the whole site in 2009 I believe - 09/12207/OUT. The recent application for 200 houses behind the existing site was confirmation of the details from that part of the 09 application, which is still valid. They'll be seeking a variation.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Is there sufficient water and seweridge capacity for this or will this be another excuse for STWA to bring the town to its knees in name of improving life for all of us?
 

markpa12003

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For the Crossings estate the play area is maintained by Greenbelt group along with grassy areas etc. They do a pretty crap job of this as it's always done on the cheap. Been a real hassle getting grass cut and we're still waiting for perimeter fencing to be replaced after 12 months.... Note that residents don't pay anything towards this...

Can you find out who instructed the GreenBelt group and change the service provider? I used to live on a new estate, which was built by Persimmon / Charles Church. I paid a service charge for the external areas to be maintained. The landscape company was / is superb.

I'm a regular visitor to the Crossings and I have never been impressed with the open spaces. Looks poorly maintained and ill conceived.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I know somebody that lives in a Persimmon-built house - the list of deliberate "mistakes" makes the word Persimmon synonymous with "condemned"...
 

c0tt0nt0p

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Can you find out who instructed the GreenBelt group and change the service provider? I used to live on a new estate, which was built by Persimmon / Charles Church. I paid a service charge for the external areas to be maintained. The landscape company was / is superb.

I'm a regular visitor to the Crossings and I have never been impressed with the open spaces. Looks poorly maintained and ill conceived.

I believe it's persimmon themselves... It's probably down to the fact you paid a service charge, and the people on the Crossings don't....
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
I don't really mind new houses being built, even at the end of my street - I agree they are rubbish at considering infrastructure but I don't drive so I'm less bothered by that then others are. More houses means more people which does mean more money being spent in the area - which means friends of mine as likely to keep being employed. It means more people in pubs, or restaurants, more people attending gigs or events and more likely that other companies will invest in the area - which is a good thing.

In this case the 'infrastructure' is already in place, though one may have to walk a little to find it....
 

gon2seed

(and me! - Ed)
Have many memories from the large entertainment/concert/venue hall/ room. Weddings,concerts,auctions,ect! In the 90's played Rugby for GEC St'Leonards. Will be sad to see it go, and the prospect of even M O R E traffic does not fill me with glee! :help:
Look on the bright side. Demand for Stafford Rangers excellent, recently refurbished entertainment facilities, are likely to be even more in demand! :monkeydance:
 

Bodger

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My understanding is Alstom or what ever they were called back then needed cash so sold the land for both main works and St Leonards tò St Modwen and now pay rent. This enabled St Modwen to builď the Hough Retail Park.
 
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