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2019 General Election

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tilly, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. Lucy

    Lucy Well-Known Forumite

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    Waiting times for A&E and operations could probably be tracked back to this People can't be released from beds as there is nowhere for them to go, so duty of care means they stay in Hospital when really they need to be in a respite home or the like.
     
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  2. Mikinton

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    ... or being looked-after at their home or their son's or daughter's home by their son or daughter.
     
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  3. Lucy

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    If they have that option yes. I don't have children, there will be no one to look after me. I don't have the option to give up work should my Dad require care.
     
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    My Mum passed 6 years ago , she died of cancer of the kidneys, the locum doctor seemed to think it was a water infection so didnt bother with blood or urine tests .
    before then she was suffering from vascular dementia and couldnt manage day to day.

    I tried to get her admitted to hospital but the dementia wards were full, i tried to get her admitted for respite care but no one would take her in.
    i made a daily 15 mile journey to make sure she was ok as the only assistance i could get was a 15 min a day care package that checked on her to make sure she hadnt fallen or was ill through her not being able to manage her diabetes , this was paid for from our own funds.
    i was also caring for my wife as well at the time.

    all in all , every service passed the buck because they didnt have the means to fund it so she was left to suffer.
     
  5. Carole

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    I really like you @Lucy but I can’t agree with you on this.
    It makes me really sad that you think that.
    I’m not sure that as a race we do look up and hold wealthy people on a pedestal, neither do we generally look down on others less fortunate.
    It’s why this country is so very generous at charitable giving.

    Personally speaking I was taught by my parents, my school, by everyone around me growing up, that we are all equal and what mattered was kindness and compassion.
    Because of that I don’t judge people by how much money they have, or don’t have, or by what job they do or what car they drive.
    I judge people on merit and I think that because of that I can socialise quite happily with people who have less to those who have lots.

    There are enough good reasons why this country is in a mess, but perceived ideas of people being judgmental isn’t one of them.
     
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  6. Lucy

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    I guess people I know of who have different views to me are generally of a generation, and unfortunately that's what I see. I certainly see it from my father, and my mother would have absolutely adored Boris Johnson. I was a very late baby, so my parents peers were all late war children.

    I regularly see a man in the village who absolutely looks down on me for how I talk, makes sweeping assumptions and even tells me, that I must earn far less money than my partner, and is generally very chauvinistic. Slightly off the point but these often go hand in hand with the other stuff.

    As I said, I have no problem with people being wealthy, I certainly would like to earn more money and I'm sure my bosses have large 6 figure salaries, as long as the tax they should pay is paid.

    We can't all agree, otherwise life would be very boring!
     
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  7. Carole

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    @Gadget, which particular post has upset you because I’ve scrolled back and I honestly can’t see anything lacking compassion towards those who genuinely need help.

    I can’t speak for others so I will speak for myself.

    I was brought up with exactly the same principles that @Mikinton referred to in an earlier post.
    Work hard, save a bit, spend a bit, give to charity, help those less fortunate.

    “The System” was brought in so that those who genuinely fall upon hard times or are in need can find the help that they require.
    It was a fabulous idea so why isn’t it working?

    Could it be that for every genuine person that needs help there is another taking advantage?
    People that could work but choose not to?
    There is a man with one arm who works at the tip. He chooses to work.

    @Lucy mentioned about poverty today.
    I was reading about some men who have fathered dozens of children, they get the name tattooed on them because otherwise they don’t know who they are. Can find money for a tattoo but can’t pay for nappies or milk.

    It is these people who are not taking responsibility for their actions who are a drain on our society.
    If someone has 12 children but won’t pay for them then these children are going to be deprived.

    I feel so sad for the children, but their poverty is no fault of any government but the fault of the parents.
    Don’t keep having children if you can’t afford to keep them.

    Edited to say that @markpa12003 has just posted about someone coming to work for him who hasn’t let his disability get in the way of earning a living.

    I accept that this isn’t an option for everyone. Those that genuinely need help should get the support that they require.

    But if there were less people taking advantage and making poor lifestyle choices then there would be more in the pot for those that actually genuinely really need it.
     
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  8. Mikinton

    Mikinton Well-Known Forumite

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    A reminder of what happened in 2017 ....

    And it came to pass, in the land of Britain, that the High Priestess went unto the people and said, Behold, I bring ye tidings of great joy. For on the eighth day of the sixth month there shall be a general election.

    And the people said, Not another one.

    And they waxed wroth against the High Priestess and said, Didst thou not sware, even unto seven times, that thou wouldst not call a snap election?

    And the High Priestess said, I know, I know. But Brexit is come upon us, and I must go into battle against the tribes of France, Germany, and sundry other holiday destinations. And I must put on the armor of a strong majority in the people’s house. Therefore go ye out and vote.
    .....


    Read the whole thing here https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn
     
  9. Gramaisc

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    Just imagine for a second that Boris Johnson had been born on a council estate in Barnsley.

    Would he be given the same amount of leeway as posh-boy Boris is?

    Etc...
     
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  10. Withnail

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    At the risk of...

    And in the interests of interesting the local statisticians, it is almost impossible to be born, to live, and to die, without troubling Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs in one way or another. But how impossible?

    Even the wankers on the [high street] can't avoid the State's coffers, once they turn out the cap and buy their first Special Brew of the day.

    Perhaps we should start reserving some of our @Carole approved approbation to the tobacco enthusiasts with their £7bn contribution?

    After all, are they not...

    [​IMG]

    Literally nobody pays 'no tax at all'.

    Literally nobody receives any thanks for it.
     
  11. Withnail

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    For a start one would have to earn less than £166 a week.

    So if you are below the threshold for Income Tax, but earn above that, you will make NI contributions.

    Which is a tax that you are paying.
     
  12. Withnail

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    If you buy a Digestive biscuit - or indeed a whole packet of them as is more likely - you will have escaped the clutches of our dreaded Taxman.

    Buy a chocolate-coated Digestive biscuit and - Oh No! - you have now contributed to 'Society'!

    Perhaps you could now flog a Maid in penance?
     
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  13. Tilly

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    What upset me is, being tarred with the same brush as the man who fathers many kids and doesn't contribute to them. You certainly don't make money by having kids by the way. Who has examples of disabled people working thrown at them with the they can do it why not you? I'm sick of getting it in the neck for the sins of the few because policy is punish them all and we'll eventually punish the ones who need it. Don't give us enough money because it will only encourage 'them'.

    I worked hard at school, I worked hard at my job. I am STILL working hard at what I do, because if I wasn't and society had to pay for the things I do it would cost one hell of a lot more money that just bloody well not demonizing me and giving us enough to live on without having to worry that my child needs a new coat. But oh yes, this child shouldn't exist should they because I don't have a ''proper job'?

    I am angry, and other people like me are angry. !0 years of being told we are worthless and have no work ethic, we are scammers and feckless work shy scum just because a few are, and always will be and you are trying to appease your voters who think the poor bring it upon themselves.

    Angry because in a rapidly aging society with A&E's filled with the elderly, hospitals filled with the elderly, who are sick, have fallen, have dementia in hospitals who are either closing because of cuts or closing wards due to staffing issues due to cuts. The blame for lack of funding and resources is shifted nicely to a scapegoat, the over weight and obese. Not so much now the 40 a day bloke who needs a quadruple bypass, or the person whose couple of bottles of wine a night with dinner or drinks with friends over dinner each weekend has finally caught up with their liver. How about funding the NHS so it can just treat everyone with out this ridiculous blame game. Yes we can bloody afford it. If we stopped buying and funding the stuff to kill people we could try helping people to live. I'm not blaming the elderly in case you are getting the wrong idea btw.

    I am angry and upset and just sick and tired of being blamed for this countries problems when the extremely well off aren't paying their way. When companies making millions don't pay their taxes and tax avoiding millionaire politicians who were rich before setting foot in Westminster, who have moved their business off shore now are telling you, that I am the problem because the country cant afford to give me enough to properly live on because that would just encourage me to make bad decisions.
    Yes I should probably take my medication but I'm trying to manage, less I get seen as a drain.
     
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  15. Goldilox

    Goldilox How do I edit this?

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    Did someone compare you to the right honourable member for Uxbridge? I must have missed that post ;)

    In all seriousness - great post. I would like it more than once if I could.
     
  16. Mikinton

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    I rather like Labour's latest policy about "nationalising" broadband. Not sure about the practicalities, but assuming there's not too many devils in the detail, the strategy is sound.

    Similarly with the rail network. I can never understand how a nationwide network can be broken up and still be expected to run efficiently.
     
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  17. Gadget

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    Lots of other countries have already done it I believe and it works quite well, so it should be do-able.
     
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  18. Mikinton

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    I don't think there'd be a problem technically. It's all the legal stuff with existing providers, and maybe even the EU, that may cause things to drag.
     
  19. Tilly

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    10 million obese people in the UK

    Tax, heavily tax, sugar, fat, alcohol

    Increasing revenues, reducing hospital appointments

    Never going to win any votes, but do it anyway

    Yeh

    Go on

    I dares ya
     
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    The state subsidised rural broadband programme in Ireland got past EU state aid scrutiny today.


    The 'smoking ban', in Ireland, of all places, seemed a very reckless political strategy at the time...
     

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