General Election 2017

Zylo

Well-Known Forumite
Yeah because Corbyn will save us He'll fix the NHS just like that, stafford will be great and open 24/7

My mind is made, I'm voting Corbyn and labour, the strongest leader and party I've seen, (are they still fighting each other btw?)

I'm sure Good old corby will be strong and get us the deals we need after brexit...

It's all lies anyway, I'd like to see him in power and see what actually changes for the good.

Funny how after every labour goverment the unemployment is always highest it's been- not to mention the deficit
 
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Mikinton

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I'm sure Good old corby will be strong and get us the deals we need after brexit...
It seems you may be disappointed, as not even the Labour Party (through Another Angry Voice) are confident of winning the election.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html

Among their policies (rail renationalisation, free school meals etc) is this ....

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tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Funny how after every labour goverment the unemployment is always highest it's been- not to mention the deficit

Hasn't the deficit risen more under the torys? And a zero hour contract is not a real job, it's just a way to hide the unemployed.
 

Really?

Well-Known Forumite
When you look at everything that is broken in the Country (all public services for example) the fact that our debt has doubled in 7 years and even the little local things (our roads look worse than a third world country) It is incredible that the Tories will win this election by a landslide.

The ONLY chance for the country is if the young vote (18 -30) actually get off their arses and vote. They complained that the referendum had ruined their future, this is their chance to stop the Tories really screwing them. Trouble is, the only even half realistic alternative has been destroyed both by the press and from within. The media are trying to make it a national vote because it's easier for them which is exactly what the Tories want. I would suggest most Tory MPs are just lapdogs for the lady with the bad hair and insincere smile. If the media made the election about local representation the Tories would suffer big time.

The chances of our local media making it about local representation? - NIL, as they are governed by their national masters.

Alas, I fear the young vote will stay at home on their X-boxes - as fed up of politics as the rest of us.

Therefore- we are all royally screwed - unless you are as well off and intelligent as HopesDad !
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
You're really not very bright, are you Perry?

Like a lot of Labour supporters, you've not realised that if Labour are to win the election you've actually got to persuade Tory voters to vote for you.

Whilst it might raise your morale to some extent, insulting them isn't really going to do it, is it?

Still, if it makes you feel good .....
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
You're really not very bright, are you Perry?

Like a lot of Labour supporters, you've not realised that if Labour are to win the election you've actually got to persuade Tory voters to vote for you.

Whilst it might raise your morale to some extent, insulting them isn't really going to do it, is it?

Still, if it makes you feel good .....
A lot of people just vote how they are told, more so the sort that read newspapers. I find the easiest way to confuse a tory is to ask specifically which policies of the Labour party they dislike and why the tory policy is better. At least that way you know if you are debating the subject or wasting your time making noises the other can't understand.
 

Mikinton

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A lot of people just vote how they are told, more so the sort that read newspapers. I find the easiest way to confuse a tory is to ask specifically which policies of the Labour party they dislike and why the tory policy is better. At least that way you know if you are debating the subject or wasting your time making noises the other can't understand.
Firstly, I don't read newspapers, though I do often read articles that get posted or linked to on Football365* or on Twitter. People I follow on Twitter include Nick Davies (formerly of the Guardian), Ian Dunt (keen "Remainer"), Robert Peston and Paul Mason, so I reckon I get a reasonable view from "the other side".

My view of most policies are "tell me what they are and I'll roll with it". Want to privatise the NHS? Fine - I'll take out insurance, like I have with Dental Care. Want to bring it back into public ownership? That's fine too; I'll be more aware of what I'm "entitled" to and getting my money's worth. (Going back to dental care, it's amazing how prompt I am with my check-ups now that I'm insured. A couple of years ago when it was pay-as-you-go, I'd leave it months.)

I tend not to get too "granular" with elections. If the party broadly aligns with my values, and they seem reasonably competent, then they'll get my vote.

* - here's one you might like. http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tl...a-loser-oh-dear-youve-been-brainwashed/18/08/

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tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Obviously from Labour supporters, but a few good bits here:
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html


Labour Party policies

Ban companies based in tax havens bidding for government contracts
It's astounding that this isn't the case already. How on earth could anyone even attempt to justify taxpayers' cash being paid to companies based in tax havens for the purpose of dodging tax?

£10 minimum wage for all workers over the age of 18
The UK is the only country in the developed world where workers' wages are declining in real terms, while the economy is actually growing. A £10 minimum wage would help to reverse this scenario, and it would also significantly reduce the cost of in-work benefits like tax credits and housing benefit (most of which goes to working families these days).

All rented accommodation to be fit for human habitation
Again, astounding that this isn't the case already, but in January 2016 the Tories (over 1/3 of whom are landlords) deliberately voted down a Labour Party amendment to their housing bill to ensure that all rented accommodation is fit for human habitation.

Renationalise the railways
This is a very popular policy that is supported by an overwhelming majority of the public. Do you support rail renationalisation too, or are you one of the minority who think that the current shambles is acceptable?

Renationalise the NHS
The Tory party have been carving up the English NHS and distributing the pieces to the private sector, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to reverse this process. Are you one of the 84% of people who thinks the NHS should be run as a not for profit public service, or the 7% who agree with the ongoing Tory privatisation agenda?

Free school meals
The policy of providing free school meals to all school children between the ages of 4 and 11 is based on evidence based research showing that universal free school meals lead to significantly improved grades. It will be paid for by ending the generous tax breaks (public subsidies) for the 7% of kids who go to private fee-paying schools.

Create a National Education Service
Jeremy Corbyn believes that education is a right, not a commodity. He wants to create an integrated National Education Service to ensure that education is freely available to anyone who needs it.

Scrap tuition fees
Thanks to the Tories (and their Lib-Dem enablers) UK students now face the most expensive tuition fees in the industrialised world for study at public universities, meaning students typically leave university with £50,000 of debt, and two thirds of them will never pay off their student debts. Labour would end this lunacy by getting rid of student fees.

Restore NHS Bursaries
One of the first things Theresa My did when she came to power was to scrap NHS bursaries for nurses and other NHS workers. This removal of financial support for nurses has caused a huge 10,000 decline in the number of applicants to nursing courses. This collapse in nursing recruitment would be bad enough in its own right, but in combination with a record increase in the number of EU nurses quitting the NHS and a mind-boggling 92% fall in nursing recruitment from EU countries, the UK is clearly facing a massive NHS recruitment crisis. Labour would reverse this calamitous state of affairs by restoring NHS Bursaries for trainee nurses.

Increase the carers allowance
Labour are proposing to increase the Carers Allowance for the 1 million unpaid carers in the UK. This would be paid for by scrapping the Tories' Inheritance Tax cut for millionaires. Unpaid carers save the UK economy an estimated £132 million a year, and they're doing ever more work as a result of the £4.6 billion in Tory cuts to the social care budget.

Create a National Investment Bank
This is actually one of Jeremy Corbyn's best policies, but few people actually understand it. It's absolutely clear that allowing private banks to determine where money is invested ends up in huge speculative bubbles in housing and financial derivatives, while the real economy is starved of cash. A National Investment Bank would work by investing in things like infrastructure, services, businesses and regional development projects, and would end up becoming a kind of sovereign wealth fund for the UK.

End the public sector pay freeze
Under Tory rule UK workers suffered the longest sustained decline in real wages since records began. The public sector pay freeze contributed massively to this. You'd have to be economically illiterate to imagine that repressing public sector wages with below inflation pay rises for year after year would not exert downwards pressure on private sector wages too. Ending the public sector pay freeze would actually boost the economy by putting more money in people's pockets, meaning an increase in aggregate demand.

End sweetheart tax deals between HMRC and massive corporations

David Cameron (the son of a tax-dodger) repeatedly lied through his teeth about how serious he was about confronting tax-dodging, whilst allowing HMRC to concoct sweetheart deals with corporations like Google, Vodafone and Starbucks. One of the main reasons the corporate press are so strongly opposed to Jeremy Corbyn is that they know that unlike David Cameron, he's serious when he talks about clamping down on tax-dodging.

Stop major corporations ripping off their suppliers
Major corporations are withholding an astounding £26 billion through late payment, which is responsible for an estimated 50,000 small businesses going bust every year. The scale of this problem is so massive that it should be a national scandal, and Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely right to align himself with small businesses to defend their interests.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Reverse the Tory corporation tax cuts
Since 2010 the Tories have cut the rate of corporation tax for major multinational corporations from 28% to just 17% (by 2020) meaning the UK has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the developed world. The global average is 27% and the G7 average is 32.3%. Theresa May has already threatened to lower the corporation tax even further to turn post-brexit Britiain into a tax haven economy, Corbyn is proposing to do the opposite and increase corporation tax rates so they're more in line with the rest of the developed world.

Defend Human Rights
Theresa May has repeatedly expressed her intention to tear up Winston Churchill's finest legacy, the European Convention on Human Rights. Labour would oppose this Tory attack on our human rights.

Zero Hours Contracts ban
Almost a million UK workers are now on exploitative Zero Hours Contracts. Last year the New Zealand parliament voted to ban them, and Labour is proposing to do the same. Long-term employees and workers doing regular hours would be protected from Zero Hours Contract exploitation.

Holding the Tories to account over Brexit

Labour have said that they won't block Brexit, but they will seek to hold the Tories to account over it. A landslide Tory victory would be a disaster for the UK because it would allow Theresa May to pursue the most right-wing pro-corporate anti-worker Brexit possible with almost no democratic scrutiny. The only way to make sure the Tories don't push a fanatically right-wing Brexit on the nation is to ensure that there are plenty of opposition MPs to hold them to account.

Housebuilding
Under the Tory government the level of UK housebuilding has slumped to the lowest levels since the 1920s, even though demand for housing is extremely high. Labour are guaranteeing to invest in a programme of housebuilding, and committing to ensure that half of the new houses are social housing. This wouldn't just alleviate the housing crisis, it would also stimulate the economy by increasing aggregate demand.

Combat inequality
George Osborne's ideological austerity agenda resulted in the longest sustained decline in workers' wages since records began and condemned an additional 400,000 children to growing up in poverty, meanwhile the tiny super-rich majority literally doubled their wealth. Labour is pledging to reduce the inequality gap and introduce progressive policies to reduce the gap between the incomes of the highest and lowest paid. There is plenty of evidence to show that the least unequal societies are more economically successful places where the people are happier.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
The student fees bit concerns me, too many people doing fluffy degrees nowadays. I'd scrap fees on certain subjects but not all, things we really need like medicine and engineering would be funded in my eyes but not stuff that doesn't increase your employability. I guess it would be hard to police though!
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
Obviously from Labour supporters, ....
And me.

I posted the link in the second post on the page.

Don't you think the "Holding the Tories to account over Brexit" is a bit defeatist? Shouldn't Corbyn be saying what he'd do if the electorate handed him the reins.
 

Lucy

Well-Known Forumite
I, unfortunately, think it's impossible to overturn Brexit now, it's just that it could be very very soft.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
I, unfortunately, think it's impossible to overturn Brexit now, it's just that it could be very very soft.
If France votes for LePen this Sunday and the one after (which isn't beyond imagination) there may be nothing to Brexit from!
 
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