How David Kidney voted on Iraq

[Wookie]

Won't the magnets end up sticking it to the drum? Or is that the idea?

 

[tek-monkey]

Well if its electronic, I'll break it somehow! If its just data written on a card, I'll complain that personal data is stored in a non-secure way or something....

From that link you showed, if I were to find your card I can just scan and print me some new fingerprints to match the card? Then I'm you, MUHAHAHAHA!

 

[Markbin]

tek-monkey

"Do you drive? Cos thats an ID card right there."

Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.

The government is saying that I don't have a choice on ID cards. I'm saying that is unacceptable. If you're happy to go along with it, that's your business. But don't force other people to do something they don't want to do. Besides, I've yet to hear a compelling argument in favour of ID cards.

My logic is fallible but I put it that way to express how far I'm prepared to go to resist ID cards. This policy will cause more civil disobedience than the poll tax.

 

[Markbin]

Besides, do you really trust this government to use ID cards for what it says they are going to be used for?

It all goes back to Iraq. The reasons given for the war were lies. And there's more. The reasons Gordon Brown gave for backing out of an autumn 2007 election were lies.

And Mr Kidney is complicit in this web of deceit. He tells Newsletter readers a stable democracy, oops there goes another suicide bomber, is enduring in Iraq.

 

[My Name is URL]

I was initially in favour of ID cards, being of the "if you've got nothing to hide" mentality....

However I have since changed my mind massively due to:

- complete incompetence of the government in losing data
- complete idiocy of the government selling data to the highest bidder
- the inability of the government to implement a project of this nature without wasting billions of tax payers money and then deciding they massively underestimated the costs and need some more
- the fact that the people that suffer the costs and hassle are the genuine "nothing to hide" man in the street whilst terrorists are hardly likely to present their ID card to anyone now are they.

Incidentally, I think if this did ever go through, I think everyone from 10+ should be required to have one and it should be the law that they should be carried at all times.... I think that was originally the plan but then it got watered down that they won't need to be carried all of the time.... duh, whats the point then.

 

[Gramaisc]

it should be the law that they should be carried at all times.....

What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.

 

[Admin]

tek-monkey

"Do you drive? Cos thats an ID card right there."

Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.

The government is saying that I don't have a choice on ID cards. I'm saying that is unacceptable. If you're happy to go along with it, that's your business. But don't force other people to do something they don't want to do. Besides, I've yet to hear a compelling argument in favour of ID cards.

My logic is fallible but I put it that way to express how far I'm prepared to go to resist ID cards. This policy will cause more civil disobedience than the poll tax.

Hi Markbin,

If you want to quote another poster, just click the Quote link at the bottom of that post and The Forum will do all the hard work for you, and present it as above

Thanks.

 

[My Name is URL]

What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.

If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....

If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when

 

[tek-monkey]

Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.

I was under the impression that all paper licenses will be replaced with photocards upon any changes made (points, address etc.), is this not correct? If so, you are being forced surely?

I am actually against ID cards anyway, but need one to drive.

 

[Gramaisc]

Yes I do, but I choose to do that. I still have an old style driving licence and I aint about to change it.

I was under the impression that all paper licenses will be replaced with photocards upon any changes made (points, address etc.), is this not correct? If so, you are being forced surely?

I am actually against ID cards anyway, but need one to drive.

My old green driving licence is untouched since 1982, but I suppose they'll catch up with me one day. It's beginning to fade a bit now.

I do have a passport, though. Not a UK one, of course, just in case I get hijacked and they run out of Isrealis and Americans.

I did show my old passport to a policeman at a UK port once and realised, just as I handed it over to him, that it was nearly ten years old but I was standing in front of him wearing the same clothes as I was in the photo. He never noticed and it made the whole thing seem a bit pointless.

 

[Gramaisc]

What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.

If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....

If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when

Sheerness apparently. I suspect that it happens fairly late at night and they might not be worth the drive down.

 

[Markbin]

I was under the impression that all paper licenses will be replaced with photocards upon any changes made (points, address etc.), is this not correct? If so, you are being forced surely?

I am actually against ID cards anyway, but need one to drive.

Well no. If I don't drive I'm not forced to possess a driving licence.

All the 911 hijackers and London Tube bombers were operating on their own, genuine ID. So who exactly is the scheme aimed at?

 

[tek-monkey]

But therefore you are being forced not to drive?

As for the cards, like I said I'm against them in most cases. I do however think they may possibly help with benefit fraud, so probably wouldn't care if people on benefits had them.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.

If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....

If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when

Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...

 

[Gramaisc]

What about nude models then? We should think about them - I know I do.

If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....

If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when

Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...

I took someone's cats to be chipped once and they were scanned a couple of weeks later when they were having some more jabs, just to make sure the chips were working. The vet said that it was not unheard of to find an animal with two chips in and he had once found three in the same dog. Few systems are foolproof.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

If said nude models are in a studio then there is no reason why their ID should not be within reach....

If you mean nude models who nip down to tesco (in the nude) then I want to know which Tesco and when

Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...

I took someone's cats to be chipped once and they were scanned a couple of weeks later when they were have some more jabs, just to make sure the chips were working. The vet said that it was not unheard of to find an animal with two chips in and he had once found three in the same dog. Few systems are foolproof.

In case you hadn't realised, I was being sarcastic.

 

[Gramaisc]

Of course, micro-chipping us all at birth would solve all of these problems...

I took someone's cats to be chipped once and they were scanned a couple of weeks later when they were have some more jabs, just to make sure the chips were working. The vet said that it was not unheard of to find an animal with two chips in and he had once found three in the same dog. Few systems are foolproof.

In case you hadn't realised, I was being sarcastic.

I did spot it. I thought that I would just reinforce your justifiable scepticism.

 

[Markbin]

But therefore you are being forced not to drive?

As for the cards, like I said I'm against them in most cases. I do however think they may possibly help with benefit fraud, so probably wouldn't care if people on benefits had them.

Well, if we're both against ID cards, there's not much to debate. But I will indulge you anyway. The idea of the driving licence is to prove that you're qualified to operate a lethal machine and it incorporates a system whereby if you demonstrate dangerous behaviour society has a way to stop you. I don't see anything unreasonable in that.

As for having to possess a card with my DNA, political views, religious beliefts etc on just for being alive, I see that as a State control too far. I wonder if benefit fraud costs more than the ID card system.

Finally, my wife, who's Chinese, has an ID card. It doesn't bother her. But I can tell you crime in China is as bad as anywhere. ID cards haven't stopped it. But Britain is copying a one-party authoritarian state.

 

[tek-monkey]

Well, if we're both against ID cards, there's not much to debate. But I will indulge you anyway. The idea of the driving licence is to prove that you're qualified to operate a lethal machine and it incorporates a system whereby if you demonstrate dangerous behaviour society has a way to stop you. I don't see anything unreasonable in that.

Doesn't work though does it, how many people every year get done for driving without a license? And what do they do? Ban them! Yeah, cos that will really stop them.

As for having to possess a card with my DNA, political views, religious beliefts etc on just for being alive, I see that as a State control too far. I wonder if benefit fraud costs more than the ID card system.

Finally, my wife, who's Chinese, has an ID card. It doesn't bother her. But I can tell you crime in China is as bad as anywhere. ID cards haven't stopped it. But Britain is copying a one-party authoritarian state.

ID cards are like CCTV, they can't cut crime. All they can do is help work out who did what, and get them caught. That may sway a few into not doing something in case they get caught, but most it wont. Loads of countries still use them though, a quick wiki shows a fair few.

 

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