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[Doctor]

Yes another victory for freedom of speech!

 

[db]

Yes another victory for freedom of speech!

i'm not sure of the point you're making.. it would almost appear that you are siding with the convicted party, and deriding the suppression of his "freedom of speech"

 

[rich upsetter]

Tim 'Wrap it up beforen you slap it up' Westwood was in the boro this week apparently. wonder if he found any 'big dogs' etc etc...

Helping offenders change their ways Jul 4 2007

A controversial music technology training project, aimed at the rehabilitation of young offenders, is to be backed by Radio 1 DJ Tim Westwood.

DJ Tim Westwood has become a patron of the Sonic [db] project, which helps to rehabilitate young offenders through music and performance workshops.

Tim called into Stafford's Shire Hall Gallery earlier this week for a special event featuring a series of dynamic presentations to celebrate the work of the innovative scheme.

The contentious project hit the headlines last year after it was revealed £20,000 of taxpayers money had been invested into the project.

Perplexed councillors questioned whether it was right to put money the project and asked the council to prioritise their spending.

 

[cookie_monster]

Tim called into Stafford's Shire Hall Gallery earlier this week for a special event featuring a series of dynamic presentations to celebrate the work of the innovative scheme.

im guessing that wasnt my mums representation of an exploding herpes virus that was exhibiting during the stafford music festival wasnt there then!


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[rich upsetter]

im guessing that wasnt my mums representation of an exploding herpes virus that was exhibiting during the stafford music festival wasnt there then!


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what the...?!

 

[cookie_monster]

what the...?!

my mum had a couple of bits of her artwork selected to be exhibited at the shirehall at around the same time as the music festival.

a couple were paper, ink and salt images of the herpes virus exploding (how the virus reproduces).

theyre actually very good, and tommy t will testify to that coz he came with me to have a look at them before we went and had pie in joxers.


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[Alan B'Stard]

From the Deathbed of Roswell's former P.R. Man

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html

Will we ever know the truth?

 

[Doctor]

Yes another victory for freedom of speech!

i'm not sure of the point you're making.. it would almost appear that you are siding with the convicted party, and deriding the suppression of his "freedom of speech"

He was voicing an opinion - the cartoons were upheld as being part of our right to free expression yet he spoke up against that and was arrested, charged and found guilty. He wasn't saying the people who were listening should go and do anything specific, hatching a feendish plot. He was just shouting and how ever much I disagree with his opinions it is hipocritical for us to limit his freedom to say it. It's only by having a free exchange of views that we will get anywhere. If you stop people expressing their views they usually end up being expressed in far more radical ways. There probably is a line but I don't think this is it.

I regularly advocate the removal of Mugabe by what ever means neccessary - should I be stopped from voicing this opinion?

 

[Doctor]

Sorry I seem to be in an increadably argumentative mood just recently (well at least the last 20 years or so). Be assured I'm interested in the debate, provoking opinion and discussion rather than offence.

 

[db]

i completely disagree with your support for this individual, and i doubt you will find many supporters beyond boring liberal parties who will never come to power.. however, you argument was completely valid until this point:

There probably is a line but I don't think this is it.

you can't have it both ways.. either you think there is a line, or there isn't.. if there is a line, as you suggest above, then who gets to decide where it is.. you?

if you want to be all about total free speech, then go right ahead.. it won't get you anywhere, but it's a valid argument with a logical basis.. you can't, however, say "it is hipocritical [sic] for us to limit his freedom ... there probably is a line".. if you believe in a line, you believe in limits.. ergo, you are limiting one's freedom..

 

[Jheych]

Sorry I seem to be in an increadably argumentative mood just recently (well at least the last 20 years or so). Be assured I'm interested in the debate, provoking opinion and discussion rather than offence.

I'm glad you have finally decided to admit it mate !it's only taken 18 yrs!!!

or was there whiskey involved?

 

[Doctor]

... then who gets to decide where it is.. you?

Well that would be a start

There is always a problem putting theory and practice. The problem is usually people as they will abuse any system therefore most theories are limited to some degree. The queestion is then about how to limit it. In a casee like this I would see the limit being placed by other moral/ ethical codes. There is a point where someone's right to freedom of speech or expression would limit someone elses right to, say, life. That is roughly what the new legislation is about. I would hold that someone's right to life should be placed above anothers right to free expression. However, I don't beleive that anyones right to life was being seriously jepodised. I think it's just a reaction to people being scared and not knowing how to deal with a certian extream minority.

 

[MISS T]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1274085,00.html

It is understood Mr Kennedy told officers that he believed he was not breaching the ban because he was smoking out of the window.

But he was told this was not the case.

 

[Wookie]

Wait a minute; there's still trains in this country upon which you can *open the window*?
And hasn't smoking on trains been banned for about 6 years?

 

[db]

The queestion is then about how to limit it. In a casee like this I would see the limit being placed by other moral/ ethical codes. There is a point where someone's right to freedom of speech or expression would limit someone elses right to, say, life. That is roughly what the new legislation is about. I would hold that someone's right to life should be placed above anothers right to free expression.

you have side stepped the point i was making..

you said free speech should not be limited.. you then said there "probably was a line" (i.e. a limit)..

"sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me".. simply speaking words, whatever they may be, will never ever impose on a person's right to life.. even if they are inciting violence, or calling for murder, they are still just words.. your argument was contradictory and flawed..

and just to be clear for anyone who hasn't been following the thread - i am not arguing in support of the unwelcome idiot who was arrested for bad mouthing our soldiers.. exactly the opposite - just debunking a flimsy argument claiming he was exercising his "right" to "free speech"..

 

[Doctor]

I always reserve the right to suttly change my argument once it's flaws have been noticed!

 

[Andreas Rex]

Would you Adam n Eve it?!

A Swedish man is to receive sickness benefits for his addiction to heavy metal music.

The lifestyle of 42-year-old dishwasher Roger Tullgren from Hässleholm in southern Sweden has been classified as a disability by the Swedish Employment Service, which has agreed to pay part of Tullgren's salary, and his new boss has given him special dispensation to play loud music at work.

According to Swedish online newspaper The Local, Tullgren first developed an interest in heavy metal when his older brother bought a Black Sabbath album in 1971. Since then, Tullgren is a classic (albeit softly spoken) heavy metal head with tattoos and skull and crossbones jewellery. Last year he attended almost 300 heavy metal shows, while playing bass and guitar in two rock bands, including Silverland.

Tullgren says he has always had difficulty holding down a job, mainly because he is absent most of the time.

Psychologists decided Tullgren's obsession is nothing less than an addiction, which puts him in a difficult situation in the labour market. Tullgren said he has been fighting for recognition for a long time.

Many occupational psychologists in Sweden, however, are totally baffled by the decision. "If somebody has a gambling addiction, we don't send them down to the racetrack. We try to cure the addiction," deputy employment director Henrietta Stein for the Skåne region told The Local.

 

[MISS T]

The new Seven Wonders are:

Chichén Itzá, Mexico

Christ the Redeemer, Brazil

The Great Wall, China

Machu Picchu, Peru

Petra, Jordan

The Roman Colloseum, Italy

The Taj Mahal, India.


Visited any of these? Do you agree or would you have chosen differently?

Tensh and I went to Chichén Itzá, Mexico, so certainly agree with this.

 

[cookie_monster]

apparently the pyramids were exempt from this new survey becuase they were already an old wonder of the world....they were the only things id been to visit off the list.


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[Andreas Rex]

The Taj Mahal, India.

Visited any of these? Do you agree or would you have chosen differently?

Alas, as per my post in the 'Terrible holiday stories' thread I only got to see the Taj Mahal from afar....what we did see was mightily impressive though..