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shoes

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Not exactly, I will have to do some reading but as far as I can remember from my poor historical knowledge of the area Egypt invaded Israel via Gaza just after WWII and triggered a war between Israel and the 'recognised' Arab countries.

The notion of giving land to a religious group makes me so angry, as ever I still maintain that there is no place of blind faith any more. Still hopefully give them enough rope and they'll level themselves and maybe some slightly more civilised people can move in.

In fact all the west has done is try to make peace in this ridiuclous battle over a piece of WORTHLESS land which separates two ridiculous countries who's religion has led to the massacre of thousands of civilians.

As far as selling military hardware goes, thats business.

I for one couldn't give a crap about the conflict or its pointless goals however the killing of civilians needs to stop.
 

shoes

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Colin Grigson said:
shoes said:
I'm getting a little sick and tired of being thrown about for the purpose of protesting :(
Hey look upon the positive side, "shoe throwing" could be the next big thing.

It could be your 15 minutes of fame!
hehe yup :D
 

tek-monkey

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shoes said:
As far as selling military hardware goes, thats business.
Makes trying to broker peace pretty pointless if we keep selling them weapons to fight the war with.

Anyway, much as I hate Wiki their version of events is pretty much what I remembered (OK, I remeber sod all really, but it fits with what I thought happened!)

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict stems from competing Jewish and Arab national aspirations for the region ( Israel / Palestine ), conflicting promises by the British in the forms of the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence and the Balfour Declaration of 1917, and several outbreaks of violence between Jewish and Arab residents of the region of Palestine.

The roots of the conflict can be traced to the late 19th century, which saw a rise in national movements, including Zionism and Arab nationalism. Zionism, the Jewish national movement, was established as a political movement in 1897, largely as a response to Russian and European anti-Semitism.[11][12] It sought the establishment of a Jewish Nation-State in Palestine (a region known to the Jews by the name of the historical Jewish homeland, Eretz Israel) so that they might find sanctuary and self- determination there.[11] To this end, the World Zionist Organization and the Jewish National Fund encouraged immigration and funded purchase of land, both under Ottoman rule and under British rule, in the region of Palestine.[13]
French and British influence and control (Sykes-Picot Agreement, 1916)
Arthur James Balfour, a British Conservative politician and statesman, and the Prime Minister from 1902 to 1905. As Foreign Secretary, he authored the Balfour Declaration in 1917 which supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, Palestine came under the control of the United Kingdom through the Sykes-Picot Agreement and a League of Nations mandate. During the mandatory period, the British made conflicting promises to both populations in the forms of the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence and the Balfour Declaration of 1917, and tensions between Arab and Jewish groups in the region erupted into physical violence as in the 1920 Palestine riots, the 1921 Palestine riots, the 1929 Hebron massacre and the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine.

The British responded to these outbreaks of violence with the Haycraft Commission of Inquiry, the Shaw Report, the Peel Commission of 1936-1937, and the White Paper of 1939. The Peel Commission proposed a failed partition plan, while the White Paper sought a one-state solution and established a quota for Jewish immigration set by the British in the short-term and by the Arab population in the long-term. Both Arab and Jewish groups directed violence against the British, as in the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, the King David Hotel bombing, and the assassinations of Lord Moyne and Count Bernadotte, in order to expel the Mandatory government, which was held in contempt by both sides.

This violence and the heavy cost of World War II led Britain to turn the issue of Palestine over to the United Nations. In 1947, the U.N. approved the partition of the British Mandate of Palestine into two states: one Jewish and one Arab. The Jewish leadership accepted the plan, but Palestinian Arab leaders, supported by the Arab League, rejected the plan, and a civil war broke out. Israel quickly gained the upper hand in this intercommunal fighting, and on May 14, 1948 declared its independence. Five Arab League countries (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq), then invaded Palestine, starting the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The war resulted in an Israeli victory, with Israel capturing additional territory beyond the partition borders, but leaving Jerusalem as a divided city; the territory Israel did not capture was taken over by Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Transjordan (now Jordan). The war also resulted in the 1948 Palestinian exodus, known to Palestinians as Al-Naqba.
 

Gramaisc

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shoes said:
That's tremendous. I can just hear the sat-nav saying "Your destination is thirty metres past the woman pissing in the street". Of course, landmarks, however usefully unambiguous, need to be stationary and so they would really need to replace her with a permanent, life-size statue commemorating the event.
 

Markerat

I'm no gynaecologist...
On a recent visit to Queensland, Australia, Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, caused an uproar when he reportedly asked Aborigines performing at a cultural park, “Do you still throw spears at each other?†Prince Philip first became infamous for his lack of tact after a ’86 incident in which he told British exchange students in China, “If you stay here much longer, you’ll all be slitty-eyed.†On the Prince’s most recent gaffe, park owner William Brim commented, “I found it amusing, but I was rather surprised.â€

Such insensitive comments should come as a surprise to observers. After all, the British people, and particularly members of the royal family, have been noted throughout history for their sensitive handling of both the Chinese and the indigenous peoples of Australia.

Isnt being a Royal member family and having enough money not to give a monkeys left knacker if you insult people or not great. Its a shame us mortals with lesser incomes cant get away with it really.
 

db

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Florence said:
Wookie said:
If you're a prince and you refer to someone as "Paki", you get plastered all over the press and get first place on the news stories until you apologise for it.
If you're English and live in Aberdeen, someone tells you to "Get back to England, you English bastard!" and kicks your head in.

Has this disgusting racist attack been on the telly anywhere?
Jeremy Vine discussed it yesterday.
also, people get smashed to bits every day.. it's not every day you come across video evidence of a monarch using racist language.. i think it's fairly obvious why one is more newsworthy than the other..
 

Gramaisc

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Florence said:
Wookie said:
If you're a prince and you refer to someone as "Paki", you get plastered all over the press and get first place on the news stories until you apologise for it.
If you're English and live in Aberdeen, someone tells you to "Get back to England, you English bastard!" and kicks your head in.

Has this disgusting racist attack been on the telly anywhere?
Jeremy Vine discussed it yesterday.
For God's sake, who listens to Jeremy Vine?
 

Florence

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Quite right! Gone are the days when your Mum was the only person listening. Its the post thirty watershed.
 

Rikki

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Im only 24 though. Ill put it down to being wise beyond my years as the saying goes. That or just i cant stand the majority of radio 1.
 

cookie_monster

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Rikki said:
Nothing wrong with a bit of radio 2
nope, its our office staple....we :love: ken bruce and popmaster.

although, we've just invested in a swanky all singing, all dancing micro system for our office with dab radio so we're currently experiencing the delights of radio 6.

anyhoo we digress, how impress was this parking!!!!!
x
 

Gramaisc

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Colin Grigson said:
I wonder if this guy's gonna be seeing AC/DC this year?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7826717.stm
Does anybody else remember the old codger who used to go to all the punk stuff at the Victoria Hall? He was a particular fan of Stiff Little Fingers, as I remember.

I've always understood that the BBC national radio stations were numbered in order of the intellectual capacity of the intended audience. I've got Radio 4 on here.
 
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